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    The Hayden discussion has redeemed the thread. It was Fox News opinion piece levels of bad beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Who do you prefer, him or Hussain?
    Hussain solely on the basis of commentary.

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    It's funny how some of the most mediocre 90s players like Atherton and Hussain became such smart insightful commentators
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    It's funny how some of the most mediocre 90s players like Atherton and Hussain became such smart insightful commentators
    In the case of those two guys specifically, both are obviously very intelligent both in regular and cricketing terms. Both were good cricketers who really got a lot out of themselves and their careers, and I think that helped them a lot in the way they think about the game at large. Both players who had to grind for every inch of their careers who made it to ~100 tests each including long stints as captains of their country, I think it makes sense that they'd both be very good commentators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    It's funny how some of the most mediocre 90s players like Atherton and Hussain became such smart insightful commentators
    Yep. Pretty sure we'll see Lyon in there when he's done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    It's funny how some of the most mediocre 90s players like Atherton and Hussain became such smart insightful commentators
    Perhaps for the same reason that it's relatively rare in sport for the top, top players to become the best coaches.

    Players who are deemed "mediocre" but who played long spells at the highest level are often those who extracted most from their talent, and accomplished just about everything that their talent was capable of. A player that does that is in a much better position to coach than one who is supremely talented, and to whom everything comes comparatively easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Yep. Pretty sure we'll see Lyon in there when he's done.
    If he's not double-dropping ecstacy and trying to pick up obviously married women in his post-cricketing career I'll be shocked tbh.
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    Hayden's always been under-rated. Missed out on the academy because no one thought he was going to make it. Part of it was bias against QLDers back in the day I think, the mental gymnastics people had to perform to claim that Bichel, Kasper, etc. were over-rated because they had helpful decks to work with in Shield cricket but that Hayden was also a flat-track bully was always amusing to watch.

    He benefited from flatter decks worldwide post-2000 at the same time as he came of age, sure. So I doubt he'd have averaged 50+ in another time. But he had the game to be one of the better openers of his time whenever he played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Compton View Post
    Perhaps for the same reason that it's relatively rare in sport for the top, top players to become the best coaches.

    Players who are deemed "mediocre" but who played long spells at the highest level are often those who extracted most from their talent, and accomplished just about everything that their talent was capable of. A player that does that is in a much better position to coach than one who is supremely talented, and to whom everything comes comparatively easy.
    Hear this a lot but have always thought it was a bit of a cop-out by the guys concerned. To play Test cricket, you have to be both talented and resilient so I don't buy that they have less insight into their own games. Just think they don't wanna be good coaches and commentators. Greg Chappell isn't a poor coach because he doesn't understand how to impart technical advice to batsmen, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Hear this a lot but have always thought it was a bit of a cop-out by the guys concerned. To play Test cricket, you have to be both talented and resilient so I don't buy that they have less insight into their own games. Just think they don't wanna be good coaches and commentators. Greg Chappell isn't a poor coach because he doesn't understand how to impart technical advice to batsmen, for example.
    Pretty much, the logic behind it (ie. Players who didn't perform as well must have gotten the best out of their talent more so than the better players) is very weak

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    I reckon Hayden would be a fantastic batting coach.

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