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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Will it though? Because white players that aren't getting places in franchise sides because of quotas would be playing, like Van Jaarsveld etc.

    More opportunities may prevent more guys from leaving to play overseas, which would further strengthen the domestic set-up. You could probably cobble together a fairly strong team from the SA guys playing in the UK, NZ, etc.
    There is a reason why SA switched away from 13 teams in the top provincial level and why the ecb went to a two tier system. If you go that way you may get guys who currently aren't getting a game a chance but you also have a lot of free loaders who shouldn't be anywhere near professional cricket getting deals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan9 View Post
    There is a reason why SA switched away from 13 teams in the top provincial level and why the ecb went to a two tier system. If you go that way you may get guys who currently aren't getting a game a chance but you also have a lot of free loaders who shouldn't be anywhere near professional cricket getting deals.
    We already have that with the semi-pro system under franchise level. We effectively have seventeen FC teams in SA, which is probably not sustainable.

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    SA independent review 'abandoned' | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
    This is the worrying thing in SA at the moment... it seems a classic case of look at what we tell you to look at rather than give us a truthful whole picture where we might not like what you have to say. Sad for SA cricket.

    What I do like is this.
    India A to play quadrangular one-day series in Australia | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
    I think it is good for SA and probably good for India and Aus to test the best available players not in the national squads. Lots of SA 'A' games with other nations may just keep SA cricket competitive and give SA an indication of talent, rather than the domestic structure itself.
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    SA A got mauled against England's main team when we toured. Will be a big quad series for them.


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    SA 'A' squads announced :

    South Africa A four-day squad for Ziimbabwe (July 7 to 19): Stephen Cook (bizhub Highveld Lions, capt), Qaasim Adams (The Unlimited Titans), Theunis de Bruyn (VKB Knights), Heino Kuhn (The Unlimited Titans), Sisanda Magala (Warriors), Keshav Maharaj (Sunfoil Dolphins), Duanne Olivier (VKB Knights), Andile Phehlukwayo (Sunfoil Dolphins), Vernon Philander (Cape Cobras), Dane Piedt (Cape Cobras), Dwaine Pretorius (bizhub Highveld Lions), Omphile Ramela (Cape Cobras), Stiaan van Zyl (Cape Cobras), Dane Vilas (Cape Cobras), Hardus Viljoen (bizhub Highveld Lions)

    South Africa A four-day squad for Australia (July 25 to August 9): Stephen Cook (bizhub Highveld Lions, capt), Qaasim Adams (The Unlimited Titans), Temba Bavuma (bizhub Highveld Lions), Dean Elgar (The Unlimited Titans), Heino Kuhn (The Unlimited Titans), Sisanda Magala (Warriors), Keshav Maharaj (Sunfoil Dolphins), Duanne Olivier (VKB Knights), Wayne Parnell (Cape Cobras), Andile Phehlukwayo (Sunfoil Dolphins), Vernon Philander (Cape Cobras), Dane Piedt (Cape Cobras), Omphile Ramela (Cape Cobras), Stiaan van Zyl (Cape Cobras), Dane Vilas (Cape Cobras), Hardus Viljoen (bizhub Highveld Lions)

    South Africa A one-day squad for triangular in Australia (August 13 to September 4): Wayne Parnell (Cape Cobras, capt), Qaasim Adams (The Unlimited Titans), Marchant de Lange (VKB Knights), Reeza Hendricks (bizhub Highveld Lions), Heino Kuhn (The Unlimited Titans), Eddie Leie (bizhub Highveld Lions), Sisanda Magala (Warriors), Aaron Phangiso (bizhub Highveld Lions), Andile Phehlukwayo (Sunfoil Dolphins), Dwaine Pretorius (bizhub Highveld Lions), Rilee Rossouw (VKB Knights), Malusi Siboto (The Unlimited Titans), Khaya Zondo (Sunfoil Dolphins), David Miller (VKB Knights), Dane Vilas (Cape Cobras)

    Basically Elgar and Bavuma in for de Bruyn for Australia from Zimbabwe 4-day squad.
    Parnell in for Pretorius like the above.

    Vaughn van Jaarsveld, Simon Harmer, Dane Paterson and Beuran Hendricks probably came into for discussions for the squads.
    No Morris, Wiese or Shamsi in the squads.
    Hopefully Markram, Hamza, Smith, Mulder, Galiem, Savage, Dupavillon, Ngidi will get into these squads in time with performances at franchise level to bring the average age down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    SA 'A' squads announced :




    Basically Elgar and Bavuma in for de Bruyn for Australia from Zimbabwe 4-day squad.
    Parnell in for Pretorius like the above.

    Vaughn van Jaarsveld, Simon Harmer, Dane Paterson and Beuran Hendricks probably came into for discussions for the squads.
    No Morris, Wiese or Shamsi in the squads.
    Hopefully Markram, Hamza, Smith, Mulder, Galiem, Savage, Dupavillon, Ngidi will get into these squads in time with performances at franchise level to bring the average age down.
    Overall, pretty solid I reckon.

    Nice to see Pretorius getting some recognition, has he been in a A-squad before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Overall, pretty solid I reckon.

    Nice to see Pretorius getting some recognition, has he been in a A-squad before?
    Can't complain much. Big acid test for a lot of them though. Just a pity Theunis de Bruyn doesn't go to Australia.

    Think first call-ups for Pretorius, Magala, Olivier and Siboto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Can't complain much. Big acid test for a lot of them though. Just a pity Theunis de Bruyn doesn't go to Australia.

    Think first call-ups for Pretorius, Magala, Olivier and Siboto.
    Just noticed Siboto.

    He's OK, but not sure he's A-material - solid performer at franchise level, but really doubt he has what it takes to step up a level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Just noticed Siboto.

    He's OK, but not sure he's A-material - solid performer at franchise level, but really doubt he has what it takes to step up a level.
    Definitely not good enough. I think the limited overs squad has more question marks than the 4-day group.

    Magala has some pace and can take wickets but very un-athletic. Hopefully he is looking at that this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Definitely not good enough. I think the limited overs squad has more question marks than the 4-day group.

    Magala has some pace and can take wickets but very un-athletic. Hopefully he is looking at that this winter.
    Magala is a big lad, but he bowls a heavy ball and looks like he's difficult to get away.

    He can also hit it, or am I thinking of someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Magala is a big lad, but he bowls a heavy ball and looks like he's difficult to get away.

    He can also hit it, or am I thinking of someone else?
    That's the one. He has a little bit about him but if he is serious and wants to keep improving he is going to have to lose weight.

    Just on the batting. We need guys to step up on these tours. Remember the days when you had young batsman like Martin van Jaarveld, Jacques Rudolph, Boeta Dippenaar, Ashwell Prince, Neil McKenzie, Zander de Bruyn, Gerald Dros, HD Ackerman in our 'A' team batting line-ups. At the moment we have to drop guys playing for SA and 1 or 2 young players but quite a few are probably a bit out of their depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    That's the one. He has a little bit about him but if he is serious and wants to keep improving he is going to have to lose weight.

    Just on the batting. We need guys to step up on these tours. Remember the days when you had young batsman like Martin van Jaarveld, Jacques Rudolph, Boeta Dippenaar, Ashwell Prince, Neil McKenzie, Zander de Bruyn, Gerald Dros, HD Ackerman in our 'A' team batting line-ups. At the moment we have to drop guys playing for SA and 1 or 2 young players but quite a few are probably a bit out of their depth.
    Yeah, I remember, we used to have very strong A-line ups.

    Just looked at Magala's stats for last season, pretty impressive. In the Sunfoil series in the last five games he took 21 wickets at just over 20, and made 130 runs at about 19. If he works hard he could be a real prospect.

    Along with guys like him, Savage, Pretorius, Phehlukwayo, we have some decent all-rounders coming through. Maybe we're seeing a return to the days of the 1990s. Then, when the selectors needed an all-rounder they just went to the nearest tree and shook it till one fell out.

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    Magala has the pace to get wickets but needs to lose the weight. If he works hard in his fitness I've reason to Believe he can bowl at good pace for extended spells. CSA needs to find a way to get talented black batsmen(African black). There's sufficient black fast bowlers but not enough batsmen. I'm not really sure who's good enough even at u19 level.

    After many seasons of struggle it seems the allrounder stocks are filling up again. Although I'd prefer we get batting allrounders. We don't seem to be produce good enough one's hence our ODI team is so unbalanced.

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    SA U19 playing Sri Lanka - Team for first test

    1. Jesse Christensen (Western Province)
    2. Josh van Heerden (Northerns)
    3. Raynard van Tonder (Free State)
    4. Wiaan Mulder (c) (seam) (Gauteng)
    5. Wandile Makwetu (Gauteng)
    6. Jerome Bossr (KZN)
    7. Ricardo Vasconcelos (wk) (Boland)
    8. Jade de Klerk (spin) (Eastern Province)
    9. Eathan Bosch (seam) (KZN)
    10. Akhona Mnyaka (seam) (Border)
    11. Siphamandla Krweqe (seam) (Border)

    van Tonder fresh off a 147 and 77* in warm-up game. Captain Mulder got 79 as well. Mnyaka got 3 wickets.
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    South Africa cricket could face talent exodus | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
    Worrying to see this sort of article... cricket I felt had handled transformation better than Rugby initially, but the last 5 years its not been good.With the weak Rand not improving anytime soon. And then you see Steyn and Morkel treated like that, (and probably others) gotta question priorities. A weak national team helps nobody.

    If you see the number of top SA rugby players overseas at the moment and the downfall of our super franchises...if cricket starts following same trend it will not be good for SA as our franchise system is already weaker than it should be....

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