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Virat Kohli Replaced Aaron Finch

91Jmay

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Lol he has 30 T20i games majority of which he played as a specialist bat. You really are such a poor apologist. He played 10 at the start of his career as a number 8 spinner, rest he has batted top 6 and done very ordinarily.

Smith has played 15 T20 games at 6 or higher where he averages 27 and 15 at 7 or lower where he averages 13. He has been a decent T20 bat the last few years, but nothing more.
 
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TheJediBrah

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Lol he has 30 T20i games majority of which he played as a specialist bat. You really are such a poor apologist. He played 10 at the start of his career as a number 8 spinner, rest he has batted top 6 and done very ordinarily.

Smith has played 15 T20 games at 6 or higher where he averages 27 and 15 at 7 or lower where he averages 13. He has been a decent T20 bat the last few years, but nothing more.
hardly atrocious

he will easily be a dominant T20 bat in the future, it's obvious just from watching him. Whether he will be Australia's best is hard to say because there's so many other superstars in the side but it would not be surprising at all.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
it is average when coupled with his strike rate. Easily 10-15 batsmen better globally. :laugh: Lets hope those superstars make it out of the group stages next time.
 

TheJediBrah

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If you're going to keep repeating the same irrelevant points while ignoring the repeated relevant ones I don't get why you keep posting tbh

not to mention completely failing to impart any maturity to your posting whatsoever

sad tbh
 

cnerd123

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If you're going to keep repeating the same irrelevant points while ignoring the repeated relevant ones I don't get why you keep posting tbh

not to mention completely failing to impart any maturity to your posting whatsoever

sad tbh
Not as sad as Steve Smith's batting in T20s tbh
 

Burner

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It's easy to understand why you think he's so good. He's a great ODI bat and has had one or two great t20 innings as well but I think some batsman are just **** at t20 and there's nothing they can do about it. Look at AB. if someone should dominate t20 cricket, it's him but he's basically anonymous in every t20 match.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Yeah, it is fine that casual watchers of the game don't realise this yet but it will become apparent to even them in the next few years. T20 is as seperate a skillset as ODI is to Tests, and success in one is no guarantee of success in others. This is already accepted for bowlers, and batsmen to a degree but this will become more and more apparent. Especially as the likes of Smith play very little T20 vs guys who will be playing 20-30 games a year in it. You will get the occasional guy like Root who is so good he can adapt, but he will be the exception not the rule.
 

longranger

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Yeah, it is fine that casual watchers of the game don't realise this yet but it will become apparent to even them in the next few years. T20 is as seperate a skillset as ODI is to Tests, and success in one is no guarantee of success in others. This is already accepted for bowlers, and batsmen to a degree but this will become more and more apparent. Especially as the likes of Smith play very little T20 vs guys who will be playing 20-30 games a year in it. You will get the occasional guy like Root who is so good he can adapt, but he will be the exception not the rule.
I agree with this. ODIs and T20Is actually have significantly different requirements - don't get fooled by the same jerseys and the fact that they are both limited overs cricket. ODI cricket has 3 'Acts' in an innings: Overs 1-15 (Start), 15-40 (Consolidation) and 40-50 (End). It is possible to lose early wickets in the first Act, have a good partnership in the second Act and you're still set for a big finish. Someone generally needs to score a 100, and honestly whether that's the opener or a middle-order batsman, there is not much of a difference. Big hitters are useful, either to get you off to a flyer in Act 1 (a la Jayasuriya / Gilchrist), or they should come in Act 3 when they just need to slog. Final team totals don't have that much variance. For example, a bad start / good recovery or a good start / poor finish can both lead to 270 runs.

Now T20s are just a single act. 20 overs which are highly momentum driven. An opening partnership can put on 100 and 9 times out of 10, they'll probably win the game. The simple fact is that there are only 120 deliveries to face. That doesn't give the batsmen too much time to settle down. And openers have a great deal in T20Is - their middle order colleagues need to be far more adaptable. A #4 batsmen in T20s for example should be adaptable enough to either come in the 2nd over or the 18th over. Here is where I think Raina has been struggling. During the WT20 he often came in early, and he just didn't look comfortable.

From a bowlers point of view, wickets are almost meaningless. That is not to say that getting wickets is not important in T20Is - it is extremely important. But my point is the bowler should concentrate on starving the batsman for runs and then getting the wicket. Giving a lot of runs away just to get a single wicket is pointless. A bowler has 24 balls - he should be ensuring a majority of them are dot balls. Mohammed Amir was devastating in the WT20 as batsmen just couldn't score off him. If Pakistan had better bowlers to support him, they could have got wickets by simply choking the opposition.

Overall, T20s can be a funny format. There is a huge variance in team totals. The same team that makes 180 in a game can get bundled out for 80 a few days later and it won't really mean much. It's time to carefully think about the team composition for a T20 and not assume it needs to be your ODI team with a few modifications. You definitely need batsmen like Kohli and Root who have great technique and can score 50s even when the rest of the team is in trouble. But you need your middle and lower order batsmen to be smart - know when to take the singles and when to go aerial. Of course, you do need a couple of guys who can hit 6s with brute power. For the bowlers, you need crafty guys who can outfox the batsmen. Bowlers who hold their nerve when they have to defend 10 runs off the last over, bowlers who can deceive the batsman and steal a wicket against the run of play. And I don't need to mention the importance for excellent fielding.

TL:DR, it's going to be exciting to see teams come up with new T20 teams and strategies. This will be a third legitimate version of cricket.
 

Gob

International Coach
Smudge's t20 record deffo needs some touch up. What i think he should do is try and play proper cricket shots. He seems to try and slog a lot in t20 cricket and tends to lose his shape a bit

Think he will figure it out soon and be good at it as well although i cant see him play much t20 stuff for Aust
 

Red

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I can't see any point in Smith playing 20/20 for Australia. Just play tests and ODIs
 

Coronis

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Assuming so, why is that good thing?
It means it doesn't matter if he ends his career as a **** T20 batsman. He'll still make a ton of money from it and be a very successful Test and ODI player.
 
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G.I.Joe

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It means it doesn't matter if he ends his career as a **** T20 batsman. He'll still make a ton of money from it and be a very successful Test and ODI player.
How's he going to make a ton of money from it if he's a ****e T20 batsman?
 

TheJediBrah

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How's he going to make a ton of money from it if he's a ****e T20 batsman?
assuming that "****e" is a relative term

Most of the batsman making ****loads of money from T20 cricket wouldn't be anywhere near as good as Smith is now, even when the guy hardly plays T20 and couldn't care less.

Doesn't Maxwell make millions?
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
assuming that "****e" is a relative term

Most of the batsman making ****loads of money from T20 cricket wouldn't be anywhere near as good as Smith is now, even when the guy hardly plays T20 and couldn't care less.

Doesn't Maxwell make millions?
Smith isn't fit to tie Maxwell's shoelaces as a T20 batsman.
 

Daemon

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I'm sure if Smith starts focussing on getting better at T20 he'll be a top batsman in the format, but at the moment he's simply not there yet. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp from both sides?
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
I'm sure if Smith starts focussing on getting better at T20 he'll be a top batsman in the format, but at the moment he's simply not there yet. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp from both sides?
I think he'll probably get better at it, but I'm getting a ton of deja vu from some Australian fans (cf. Michael Clarke), where the insistence seems to be that he isn't good at T20 because he doesn't care for it, not because, you know, he's actually **** at it now.
 

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