The ATS Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[ImpatientLime]

This'll sound a bit patriotic, but I'd back this team to be at the very competitive against a few actual test XIs of other nations at times.

they'd struggle to take 5 wickets.

India in last 23 years:

Devang Gandhi
Woorkeri Raman
Pravin Amre
Mohammad Kaif*
Hemang Badani
Ajay Ratra+
Nikhil Chopra
David Johnson
Dodda Ganesh
Tinu Yohannan
Rahul Sanghvi

stupid question, but what was the deal with david johnson? most un-indian of names.

 

[weldone]

stupid question, but what was the deal with david johnson? most un-indian of names.

You think there are no Christians in India or what?

Visit Goa or Kerala - and that'll change your perception. The British, the Portugese, and the French had converted enough people to Christianity 100 or more years ago. One may be called Jacob Matthew but probably looks like Romesh Pawar. David Johnson looked like Javagal Srinath FTR.

 

[Dan]

Barrington Rowland | India Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

Gun on one of the earlier ICC games, was Barrington.

 

[Spark]

Australia (Modern Era)

1. S Watson
2. G Maxwell
3. R Quiney
4. S Marsh
5. G Bailey *
6. T Paine
7. G Manou +
8. G Robertson/B Casson/J Krejza/C White/M Beer/A Agar etc.
9. D Cullen
10. S Cook
11. S Muller

Openers are hard since we've been relatively consistent and I'm not picking Cowan in this.

If you're short on openers and you're picking Marsh, then surely he opens?

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

You think there are no Christians in India or what?

Visit Goa or Kerala - and that'll change your perception. The British, the Portugese, and the French had converted enough people to Christianity 100 or more years ago. One may be called Jacob Matthew but probably looks like Romesh Pawar. David Johnson looked like Javagal Srinath FTR.

They converted their surnames and not just give their children Christian names? Or was there interracial marrying as well?

 

[Dan]

Maxwell opening leads to more All Time Spud-ness though.

 

[honestbharani]

Cool down guys. Kaif was a hero in ODIs. I made this team for the longer format. I need 3 specialist middle-order batsmen (and there haven't been many in that role, thanks to our famous middle-order). Vijay Bhardwaj doesn't fit that role, as he was AR. Do you have any specialist middle-order batsman in mind? Raina? Anyone else? [Think both Yuvraj and Ajay Jadeja were better than Kaif and Badani]

Jacob Martin and Hrishikesh Kanitkar played test cricket for us, never forget....

 

[weldone]

Jacob Martin and Hrishikesh Kanitkar played test cricket for us, never forget....

Jacob Martin didn't play tests. Kanitkar had a good FC record (and so did Nilesh Kulkarni btw).

So far, I only like the (Raina for Kaif) suggestion.

 

[weldone]

For the keeper's slot, Deep Dasgupta can give Ajay Ratra a run for his money. We've had some bad keepers after Mongia retired and Dhoni started - Parthiv Patel and Dinesh Karthik (and now Wriddhiman Saha) were the only good ones.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Parthiv Patel sucked dick. asically cost us the chance of a series win in Australia in 2003/04

ATS India XI

WV Raman
Devang Gandhi
MSK Prasad
Maharaja of Porbandar (ATG Cricinfo write-up. Trust me.)
Pravin Amre
Vijay Bhardwaj
Ajay Ratra (wk)
Salil Ankola
Tinu Yohannan
Dodda Ganesh
David Johnson

Jacob Martin and Hrishikesh Kanitkar played test cricket for us, never forget....

Considered him, but then I remembered this

#NeverForget

 

[honestbharani]

Parthiv Patel sucked dick. asically cost us the chance of a series win in Australia in 2003/04

ATS India XI

WV Raman
Devang Gandhi
MSK Prasad
Maharaja of Porbandar (ATG Cricinfo write-up. Trust me.)
Pravin Amre
Vijay Bhardwaj
Ajay Ratra (wk)
Salil Ankola
Tinu Yohannan
Dodda Ganesh
David Johnson



Considered him, but then I remembered this

#NeverForget

Lol.. The 4 that kept him in the side for 4 years

 

[honestbharani]

Jacob Martin didn't play tests. Kanitkar had a good FC record (and so did Nilesh Kulkarni btw).

So far, I only like the (Raina for Kaif) suggestion.

W V Raman scored 100s against RSA in RSA.. Even Sachin needed 2 tours to do that. WV RAman has an ace FC record too, btw...

 

[weldone]

W V Raman scored 100s against RSA in RSA.. Even Sachin needed 2 tours to do that. WV RAman has an ace FC record too, btw...

I know. The other option for the opening spot is Vikram Rathour (who also had good FC record)...can't remember any other specialist opener

 

[OverratedSanity]

W V Raman scored 100s against RSA in RSA.. Even Sachin needed 2 tours to do that. WV RAman has an ace FC record too, btw...

No he didn't. He made a hundred each in 92, 97 and 2001. Actually, I just realised, apart from 2006, he had atleast one big hundred in every series. I've been underrating his SA record.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Can't believe I'm the only one to have mentioned MSK Prasad.

 

[weldone]

Can't believe I'm the only one to have mentioned MSK Prasad.

Vaguely remember the name...remind me more

 

[weldone]

No he didn't. He made a hundred each in 92, 97 and 2001. Actually, I just realised, apart from 2006, he had atleast one big hundred in every series. I've been underrating his SA record.

Ya for one moment I forgot Tendulkar's hundred in SA right after the '92 WC

 

[honestbharani]

No he didn't. He made a hundred each in 92, 97 and 2001. Actually, I just realised, apart from 2006, he had atleast one big hundred in every series. I've been underrating his SA record.

Well, ODI hundreds Actually, Amre got a really good 100 in RSA too right?

 

[honestbharani]

I know. The other option for the opening spot is Vikram Rathour (who also had good FC record)...can't remember any other specialist opener

You can always do what Sourav did and pick Yuvraj "he is the opener of the future" Singh to open.. Cant believe Ganguly sabotaged Aakash Chopra's career for this Yuvi for Opener project...

 

[Flametree]

Don't understand how Amre gets in these teams ahead of Karthik, Dasgupta, Rathore, Chopra, Bangar... bloke averaged 40+.... you'llbe thowing Kambli and Rohit in there next...

Says a lot about Australia over the years just how hard it is to pick a side (without going for 11 spinners that is) : luckily I'm old enough to go back to the 80's to find some openers.
Wellham, HIlditch, Khawaja, Quiney, Bailey, Young, Dyer*, Hastings, Williams B, Gilbert, McGain

England is too hard for the opposite reason.... limiting it to those who played 5+ tests, you still get a good sample

Cook G, Curtis, Ward, Adams, Fairbrother, Capel, French*, Salisbury, Dawson, Illott, Jarvis

If they bat and bowl to their averages they should score 140 against about 530.