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[Dick Rockett]

Kallis' bowling's suffered lately. He's only averaged 40-odd with the ball in his last 10 tests.

 

[PY]

I think that's a bit harsh. You're talking about two very good players. Kallis is exceptional, yes, but that doesn't relegate all other all-rounders to "crap" status.

Tiger Woods is streets ahead of the rest of the pack, but that doesn't make Els or Singh crap does it?

The key word was comparatively. I didn't mean to say they were useless because that would be an insult to all the hard work they have put in and their respectively records!!

'Crap' for me is a throw-away phrase which just means I don't think they are as good. Apologies for using that word, wasn't very thoughtful.

As an all-round package I think they are not as good.

 

[PY]

Kallis' bowling's suffered lately. He's only averaged 40-odd with the ball in his last 10 tests.

I thought this but on closer inspection he is close to having his best PwC Rating in his career so far.
:wow:

 

[age_master]

Was the squad named before or after the tragedy of Hookes?

If after, I think it's clear why he wasn't selected.

im not sure exactly when the squad was selected

 

[Dick Rockett]

The key word was comparatively. I didn't mean to say they were useless because that would be an insult to all the hard work they have put in and their respectively records!!

'Crap' for me is a throw-away phrase which just means I don't think they are as good. Apologies for using that word, wasn't very thoughtful.

As an all-round package I think they are not as good.

And of course you're right there

Oram's got quite a career ahead of him though I think.

As for Streak, I suspect his record would be better if he didn't have to carry his entire side.

 

[Mingster]

Kallis is definitely a world class allrounder.

What does a 'genuine' allrounder really mean? An allrounder who can get into a side with bat and ball? Or some one that 'is really an allrounder'.

Oram is 9th on the bowling rankings and was intially a batting allrounder when he made the NZ team. He's a more allrounder cricketer than Streak.

 

[Dick Rockett]

I thought this but on closer inspection he is close to having his best PwC Rating in his career so far.
:wow:

That's odd :O

In those 10 tests, he's taken 22 wickets, and nine of those were in one game. Not great form. Mind you, the PwC rankings are probably taken over a greater length of time...

 

[Dick Rockett]

Oram is 9th on the bowling rankings

Is he? :O

Which rankings?

 

[PY]

Just to prove I'm not going loopy

7 (-) JH Kallis SA 719 28.35 732 v England, Leeds 2003

 

[PY]

Is he? :O

Which rankings?

Sure ain't PwC

 

[Mingster]

Is he? :O

Which rankings?

PwC ODI rankings.

 

[PY]

Just to prove I'm not going loopy

7 (-) JH Kallis SA 719 28.35 732 v England, Leeds 2003

I am actually loopy, those haven't been updated since 13th October so Oram could well be in them now.

 

[Dick Rockett]

Just to prove I'm not going loopy

7 (-) JH Kallis SA 719 28.35 732 v England, Leeds 2003

I don't doubt you. He's a great player

He has played 7 tests since then. Interestingly, the Leeds test was the one in which he took nine wickets. There's been very little since....

 

[Mingster]

Sure ain't PwC

 

[Dick Rockett]

PwC ODI rankings.

I had no idea. Good on him!

 

[PY]

For reference, PwC Ratings

Kallis is now 12th in bowling and 5th in batting.
Oram is 32nd in bowling and 72nd in batting.
Streak is 15th batting and 63rd batting.

Phew thus ends my longest posting run ....

 

[marc71178]

Oram is 9th on the bowling rankings and was intially a batting allrounder when he made the NZ team. He's a more allrounder cricketer than Streak.

You want to bet on that?!

 

[Neil Pickup]

ODIs (Bat & Bowl)

Kallis: 6th & 33rd
Streak: 30th & 15th
Oram: 63rd & 9th

 

[Mingster]

You want to bet on that?!

Yes I do.

Are you saying Oram's captaincy is not equal if better than Streak or his fielding is better?

 

[iamdavid]

My defenition is-

Guenuine Allrounder -
Someone who would make the team on either disipline , even if suffered an injury which prevented him from bowling again he would make it as a batsman , & likewise if his batting fell away he could still play with the ball.
There have been very few of these men in test history & really I cant see one of them around now , I dont reckon Kallis would make the South African side as a bowler alone , Gilchrist would probably make our side as a specialist batsman though.
Ervine , I reckon would make the Zimabwean team as a batsman or bowler.
Chris Cairns would'be before his injury but not anymore.
Abdur Razzaq is in ODI's.
Flintoff in ODI's but dosent come close in tests.

Batting Allrounder -
A player who would make the team as a specialist batsman , or come very close to it , & who does a job with the ball.
eg Kallis , Jayasuria , Symonds , Lehmann , Gavaskar jnr , Grant Flower , Russel Arnold , Chris Cairns (nowdays) , Hafeez , Afridi , Bangar , Styris , Rikki Clarke.

Bowling Allrounder -
A player who would make the team as a specialist bowler , or come very close it it , who can do a job with the bat.
eg Pollock , Streak , Bichel , Blignaut , Banks , Drakes , Mills , Oram , Vettori (well he's getting close) , Giles (likewise) , Wasim Akram , Shoaib Malik , Lokurachchi (spelling ??).

Common Allrounder -
Someone who would not make the team on neither disipline alone but who's combined proficiency with both gets them in the side.
eg Ian Harvey , Flintoff (in tests) , Craig White , Watson (although he is potentially a guenuine allrounder , time will tell) , Ian Blackwell.

Bits & Peices Player -
A player who is pretty ordinary in both departments but makes it due to his perceived ability in both or the fact that he's black & Zimbabwean or a Bangladeshi.
eg Ronnie Irani , Blessing Mahwire , Khaled Mahmud.