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    India, Australia, England attempt to take control of Cricket

    My interest in Cricket has greatly decreased in the last several years. If what is posted below is true, I'll be done with cricket altogether. As would a great many more that don't belong to the trifecta. Surely this can't be good for the long term interests of the game?

    India, Aus, England in attempt to take control of Cricket

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    Seems a good idea to me, aside maybe from India and Australia being involved

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    I agree, this is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    If what is posted below is true, I'll be done with cricket altogether.
    Out of interest, why?
    "If that Swann lad is the future of spin bowling in this country, then we're ****ed." - Nasser Hussain, 1997.


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    Yes great idea. Let England, Oz and India form their own ICC and play only themselves. The rest of us (WI, RSA, NZ, ZIM, SL, Ban, and Pak) can remain in the traditional ICC and play among ourselves. Seriously though, I'm against power being concentrated in these 3 teams but from the perspective of these three boards I cant really blame them. From a WI perspective, we will never be a major power in world cricket at least not at the board level. The most we can do is to try and become a power on the field again so that teams will want to play us often. At first when I saw this article I was like CA, BCCI and the ECB can go screw themselves. But now I look at it as an opportunity and more incentive for the rest of us to pick up our games (and esp. vs those 3 teams). RSA has already done their part (curious y they were left out), its not up to the rest of us to lift our games !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    Out of interest, why?
    My remaining interest in the game would disappear very quickly if my team does not get to regularly play the top tier teams in the world (which due to resources is likely to always contain Ind/Aus/Eng). I also don’t like absolute power in the hands of these 3 boards (or any other group for that matter). I realize that ICC as presently structured isn’t exactly the model for all governing boards the worldwide to follow, but at least there is some “voice” given to the lesser nations. For instance, I would highly resent the fact that no matter their form, these three countries would be permanently excluded from a potential relegation system. There are tons of other reasons that I can get into, but taking away fair representation of cricket’s governance and direction from all Test nations would the major turn off for me.

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    I support this move, pretty much because it will empower BCCI and CA more than they are now. Which means proliferation/more consideration given to 20/20 cricket, which is the future of cricket
    This move, if it goes through, in my opinion, will lead to the sidelining of international cricket in favor of cricket leagues like BBL, IPL, etc. How so, one may ask ? Well, this proposal makes series bilateral by agreement and emphasizes that sides are not obligated to take on financially losing tours. From India's perspective, this means bye bye to series involving West Indies, New Zealand, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe. From Australian perspective, it means bye bye West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe. From England's perspective, it is bye bye West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe.

    What are they going to do with the excess free time ? Probably upgrade India-Australia and India-England to 5 test series(ashes is already 5 test series).
    but that still does not fill the gap completely, so it will lead to expansion of the 20/20 scene.

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason i support this move. Future of cricket is not test cricket, however enthralling some matches can be and however more skilled the competition is.
    The future of cricket is 20/20 on a franchise model. Virtually every team sport- from Soccer, Football, hockey, basketball,baseball (and rugby too i think, though i dont follow Rugby) exist primarily as private franchises competing in a league as the fundamental model, with international competition being ancillary and a side show.
    Cricket is the only exception and this is the reason cricket has failed as a global sport.

    99% of sportsmen- like any other professional, want to make money. Playing for your country is a 'great honor' but last i checked, honor does not buy you a house or feed you. Money does. If we want cricket to blossom in associate nations, tinkering with the FTP, having the occasional World Cup appearance 'carrot', etc. is of little consequence to 99% of the players from these nations.
    However, dreams of making it big playing for Chennai SuperKings or Mumbai Indians ? Yep, that 1-2 million dollars a year ( and this price too will rise with the gaining net worth of 20/20 franchises and eventual schedule expansion) will go a long way to motivate your average Afghan or Bermudan cricket enthusiast to take it seriously.

    Yes, this is an idea that has little favor from cricket fans, particularly the non-subcontinentals, who are stuck in a horrid mixture of 'statistical gluttony and traditional reverence' that test cricket engenders.
    But seriously, test cricket is an epic fail of a format. 5 days of playing. Result not garanteed, even if weather does not interfere. Asymetric number of matches per series. match can be over in 3 days, leading to disgruntled fans who have tickets for the last two days and set aside time from their precious schedule for it.

    The only thing Test cricket has it going, strictly from a playing perspective, is that it requires the most skill. Which is why Test cricket should be relegated to 3-5 tests a year at most, akin to 'international friendlies' in soccer.

    it is a proven fact that appealing to greed also appeals to quality- since even the best of the best sportsmen are greedy and will follow the money. How do you turn a profit, attract the top level talent & promote the sport on a global scale ? you start a franchised league. Which at the moment, only 20/20 caters to. maybe 50 overs cricket can be turned into one too.

    And one of the biggest benefit, as a sport, cricket would derive from relagation of international cricket in favor of franchise cricket, is that players (who would ultimately be free agents, instead of citizens forever playing for one team only) will earn their reputation fair and square, based on their skills and contributions, rather than the jingoistic nationalistic fandom that is central to cricket.
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    A reputation earned solely off the back of T20 cricket is no reputation at all.
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    ugh i do agree mulog and wrote a similar but shorter thing in the other thread. Is Lalit Modi based in Canada? Is that you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    A reputation earned solely off the back of T20 cricket is no reputation at all.
    A reputation based on success in a league where the talent pool is global (not nationally restricted) and driven by financial incentive is the only reputation that matters in most team sports.
    Messi is not evaluated by what he does or didnt do for Argentina. Its what he does for his club that matters. Crosby is considered the gretest hockey player in a generation not for winning gold in Vancouver, its for what he does for the Pittsburg Penguins.

    cricket too will eventually follow this dictum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theegyptian View Post
    ugh i do agree mulog and wrote a similar but shorter thing in the other thread. Is Lalit Modi based in Canada? Is that you?
    I am not Lalit Modi, i am just a guy who played some cricket before in Canada ( i quit when Patrick Patterson broke my arm) and have thought for a long time the difference between the success and failure of team sports such as cricket versus soccer & ice hockey or basketball.

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    they basically already had control
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    but yeah this is terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    A reputation based on success in a league where the talent pool is global (not nationally restricted) and driven by financial incentive is the only reputation that matters in most team sports.
    Messi is not evaluated by what he does or didnt do for Argentina. Its what he does for his club that matters. Crosby is considered the gretest hockey player in a generation not for winning gold in Vancouver, its for what he does for the Pittsburg Penguins.

    cricket too will eventually follow this dictum.
    What rot. What players of a world class calibre are missing out because of "nationalism"? This isn't ice hockey or American football or baseball and extending that model to cricket will destroy what the sport is at the moment. Which it seems you're keen to do just to make another sport more bloated by obscene amounts of money for players. We should be celebrating the differences between sports, not forcing each different discipline into a rampant consumerist approach and damn the history and sentiment on which the sport was built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    I am not Lalit Modi, i am just a guy who played some cricket before in Canada ( i quit when Patrick Patterson broke my arm) and have thought for a long time the difference between the success and failure of team sports such as cricket versus soccer & ice hockey or basketball.
    Your views are definitely going to be not liked by a lot of people on this forum and if a cricket journalist wrote something like what you've wrote in a newspaper there would be an absolute massive uproar from tradionalists - but I do agree and it's nice to hear a different voice from a different perspective so welcome to the forum.

    Nearly everbody on this forum has been brought up a traditionalist and love test cricket over everything. I've followed England overseas on three occasions to Australia, India and NZ to watch test cricket and have had an incredible time. I favour test cricket over the other formats. I love the game but as you say the international game as it is is stagnant. There is no growth. It's a dying game.

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