View Poll Results: When will Philander average >20?

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    Honestly, he's obviously a very good bowler but nowhere near as good as a sub-20 average suggests. You can only play the guys in front of you, etc. but there should be some major caveats associated with any analysis involving him when comparing to any all-time great quicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Honestly, he's obviously a very good bowler but nowhere near as good as a sub-20 average suggests. You can only play the guys in front of you, etc. but there should be some major caveats associated with any analysis involving him when comparing to any all-time great quicks.
    Pretty easy caveat - time/amount of tests.

    However if he keeps doing this and has a reasonably long career haters can hate but there are no caveats. He just delivered consistently in his time.
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    * in SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    * in SA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    * in SA.
    Nah, if his record is what it currently is both home and away aftersay 50-60 tests, he's an ATG. No question about it. There isn't anything people who really really want his average to go up just because they like McGrath or Ambrose or Marshall better can say. They'll just have to suck eggs.

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    Whatever. He's not a sub-20 bowler and his average will be closer to 25 by the end of his career, I think. Would still very good numbers, of course, but not all-time great which is where I think he'll place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Nah, if his record is what it currently is both home and away aftersay 50-60 tests, he's an ATG. No question about it. There isn't anything people who really really want his average to go up just because they like McGrath or Ambrose or Marshall better can say. They'll just have to suck eggs.
    It won't be. He averages 14 in SA. No way that's going anywhere else but up, I don't care how friendly it is to quick bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    It won't be. He averages 14 in SA. No way that's going anywhere else but up.
    Yes I agree with you, but that wasn't your original point!

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    I don't understand the hate Philander is receiving. He is going to be my favourite cricketer just as a reaction to this hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ankitj View Post
    I don't understand the hate Philander is receiving. He is going to be my favourite cricketer just as a reaction to this hate.
    It's not really hate though. It's bitterness that SA have such an amazing cricketer, coupled with the fact that Vern is a bit of an arrogant ****. Most people would give an arm and leg to have him in their side
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    Will be interesting to see how long his career lasts. He gets just enough zip to make his method work, so I imagine if he lost a yard of pace he'd get absolutely collared. Similar to Ryan Harris in that regard.

    FWIW I hope he does end up averaging in the 18's - would be great to watch a career like that, something that hasn't happened for a century or more. Likewise I hope Pujara manages to go one better than Jimmy Adams and Michael Hussey and keep going at 65+.

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    Don't see how people can get pissed off by his "arrogance" and then love Steyn tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrez View Post
    Don't see how people can get pissed off by his "arrogance" and then love Steyn tbh.
    Yeah, this. From what I have seen Philander conducts himself better than many other fast bowlers around the world on the field. I did not see the particular interview that everyone seems to dislike, but whatever he supposedly said in that interview is nothing that makes him a bigger **** than so many others. Just my impressions anyways. I tend to support players who get hate for no good reason
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    About 80% of the Philander hate is jealously IMO.
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    That leaves 20% unaccounted for.

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