View Poll Results: Who is the best English quick since Willis/Botham?

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  • Jimmy Anderson

    24 72.73%
  • Darren Gough

    2 6.06%
  • Angus Fraser

    1 3.03%
  • Andrew Flintoff

    1 3.03%
  • Andy Caddick

    1 3.03%
  • Simon Jones

    1 3.03%
  • Steve Harmison

    1 3.03%
  • Matthew Hoggard

    1 3.03%
  • Stuart Broad

    0 0%
  • Other

    1 3.03%
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Thread: Best English fast bowler since Botham/Willis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    **** off. Chapple is a ****.

    Anyway, Neil Foster for me. A wonderful bowler whose regular injury problems meant that his record fails to show his true quality.
    Foster's career over-lapped with those two though, but yeah, could have been a great but for injury. Common theme here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    I suppose it must be the Burnley Express, but he's only marginally better than Glen Chapple, who has to be the most criminally under selected quick in history - in addition I'm always amazed how quickly folk have forgotten how good Steve Harmison was in the early to mid noughties


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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Would have been Fraser without the hip injury that ruined his career, still had a good one despite it but lost at least a yard after it.
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    I loved Gus but wasn't he very reliant on conditions? If the ball didn't move off the deck he didn't look all that threatening.
    The first post on Fraser is true. The second is not.

    The injury (which would probably have resolved itself quickly had he not been made to play in aa meaningless ODI on the 1991 tour) robbed him of his extra nip and bounce. This was the difference between him being a bowler who was good in the right conditions but not hard to play on a flat pitch and, as he was before the injury, solid in all condition and very difficult if conditions gave him any help.

    I recall him bowling against a strong Indian batting line up in 1990 on some very flat pitches and they still found him a challenge.

    Jones had the potential. He bowled well in his 1st Test - but was injured during it. In 2005 he had a very good one and a half matches before being injured at Trent Bridge. Not really enough to go on.

    Foster always looked promising but I never thought that promise was at all fulfilled. Not sure he had the heart required either. He was definetly one who looked easy to play if conditions were against him.

    I always thought Dominic Cork would have been a great support seamer - the sort of role that Hoggard had - but not an attack spearhead.
    Last edited by Biryani Pillow; 25-07-2013 at 03:15 AM.

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    Flintoff bowled like a fast bowler - and cricinfo lists him as Right arm Fast.

    Anderson is listed as fast medium and uses swing and movement to get his wickets.

    Therefore if the thread title had said who is the best seamer since Botham and Willis you would vote for Anderson. But in terms of thinking like a fast bowler and bowling with menace it was Flintoff.

    I think I am just being a contrarian here - but that is how I voted in the poll.
    Last edited by Hurricane; 25-07-2013 at 04:04 AM.
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    I got great enjoyment in going to the game and shouting "WHY THE **** ISN'T THIS GAME BEING PLAYED AT THE BASIN?!>!?!?" to reasonably significant cheers from the sparse crowd
    Proudly against the bring back Bennett movement since he is injury prone and won't last 5 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Flintoff bowled like a fast bowler - and cricinfo lists him as Right arm Fast.

    Anderson is listed as fast medium and uses swing and movement to get his wickets.

    Therefore if the thread title and had said who is the best seamer since Botham and Willis you would vote for Anderson. But in terms of thinking like a fast bowler and blowing with menace it was Flintoff.

    I think I am just being a contrarian here - but that is how I voted in the poll.
    Yeah, but the poll is for "quick", it's all very confusing.


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    Anderson is generally in the 86-88mph range - non English bowlers in that range (and often below) are frequently rated 'fast'. English bowlers who are frequently over 90mph might get classified 'fast', but not always.
    Last edited by Biryani Pillow; 25-07-2013 at 05:57 AM.

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    The stats are in Andersons favour already and he''s nowhere near finished. No contest

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    If Jones and Tremlett weren't made of glass we'd clearly have dominated cricket for at least 50 years

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    Pretty surprised that I was the first vote for Gough. Dat action.
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    People's opinions of Gough are clouded by him reminding us every day how much of a nob he is
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkingdave View Post
    People's opinions of Gough are clouded by him reminding us every day how much of a nob he is
    Surprised Adrian Durham is prepared to work with him tbh - he wasn't too bad when he started but he has become a caricature of himself as time has passed

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    It staggers me that that man even has opinions, let alone get paid to share them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    It staggers me that that man even has opinions, let alone get paid to share them.
    Half the problem with him is that he doesn't - it's patently obvious that his "opinions" are what his producer and/or Durham tells him they are

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