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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    A nice article on Mike Procter who may have been the best of the three.

    Mike Procter: all round excellence - SouthAfrica.info
    Definitely the best of the 3 imo. One of the greatest cricketers of all time. In my opinion, the greatest all rounder ever.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. A.C Gilchrist 7. Imran Khan 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    If I have this right, AB DeVilliers averages 75 with the bat at a SR of 98 as keeper for SA in ODIs. How close is he to displacing Gilchrist or Dhoni in people's ATG ODI team? And Amla has become a ODI beast, 55 at SR of 91 opening...

    - Sachin Tendulkar
    - Hashim Amla
    - Ricky Ponting
    - Viv Richards
    - AB DeVilliers
    - Steve Waugh
    - Mike Hussey
    - Kapil Dev
    - Wasim Akram
    - Joel Garner
    - Muttiah Muralitharan
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    An over the top but interesting piece on Sir Garry.

    http://www.cricistan.com/forums/thre...d-sobers.3848/
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    From the current crop, I would say that Philander would be up there given one more year of sustaining what he has done up till now. Hashim Amla is already there courtesy of the last 2 years or so. Pietersen was taken to be of ATG status within 5 years of his test debut. So it follows that around 3 years or thereabouts of sustained brilliance (crazy brilliance) should be enough to put you there, I think
    See for me Philander would need a lot more matches, not just one year more - a minimum of 50 Tests and probably a fair bit more than 50 for a batsman and for a Cricketer from a country which plays heaps of Tests like Australia and England, I'm thinking around 80 tbh although if someone is brilliant and finishes on 78 Tests I'm not going to exclude them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    If I have this right, AB DeVilliers averages 75 with the bat at a SR of 98 as keeper for SA in ODIs. How close is he to displacing Gilchrist or Dhoni in people's ATG ODI team? And Amla has become a ODI beast, 55 at SR of 91 opening...

    - Sachin Tendulkar
    - Hashim Amla
    - Ricky Ponting
    - Viv Richards
    - AB DeVilliers
    - Steve Waugh
    - Mike Hussey
    - Kapil Dev
    - Wasim Akram
    - Joel Garner
    - Muttiah Muralitharan
    Throw out waugh and kapil, and bring in klusener and shaun pollock

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Throw out waugh and kapil, and bring in klusener and shaun pollock
    Not for me. Kapil Dev was a sensational OD cricketer. Massive SR when batting which is ideal for a #8, and his bowling was very economical and tidy. And Waugh in his early days was as good an ODI allrounder as you'll see. Brilliant death bowler, gun fielder and smart batsman. In an ODI set up, I'd almost be tempted to select Waugh on the basis of his bowling alone.

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    1. Tendulkar
    2. Amla
    3. Richards
    4. de Villiers
    5. Bevan
    6. Dhoni
    7. Dev
    8. Wasim
    9. Saqlain
    10. Garner
    11. Bond

    But honestly, that XI matches up pretty well against a lot of more 'traditional' ATG ODI XIs, and gives you a very decent second XI.

    1. Jayasuriya
    2. Gilchrist
    3. Ponting
    4. Jones
    5. Abbas
    6. Miandad
    7. Klusener
    8. Pollock
    9. Lee
    10. Muralitharan
    11. McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    And Waugh in his early days was as good an ODI allrounder as you'll see. Brilliant death bowler, gun fielder and smart batsman. In an ODI set up, I'd almost be tempted to select Waugh on the basis of his bowling alone.
    Only if he kept it up through his career can you do something like that. All rounders bowl in almost every game, not in less than two thirds of them.
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    Never Played an ODI ATG ODI XI

    01. Barry Richards
    02. Sid Barnes
    03. Donald Bradman
    04. Graeme Pollock
    05. Everton Weekes
    06. Keith Miller
    07. Les Ames
    08. Mike Procter
    09. Alan Davidson
    10. Ray Lindwall
    11. Bill O’Reilly

    Read them the rules, get them to watch videos of the best World Cup finals, and I reckon they'd give any modern ATG XI more than a run for their money.
    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - Peter May - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Never Played an ODI ATG ODI XI

    01. Barry Richards
    02. Denis Compton
    03. Charles Macartney
    04. Clyde Wacott +
    05. Graeme Pollock
    06. Neil Harvey
    07. Keith Miller
    08. Mike Procter
    09. Harold Larwood
    10. Ray Lindwall
    11. Bill O’Reilly

    Bradman should be in there, but I'd rather select without him for the fun of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Never Played an ODI ATG ODI XI

    01. Barry Richards
    02. Denis Compton
    03. Charles Macartney
    04. Clyde Wacott +
    05. Graeme Pollock
    06. Neil Harvey
    07. Keith Miller
    08. Mike Procter
    09. Harold Larwood
    10. Ray Lindwall
    11. Bill O’Reilly

    Bradman should be in there, but I'd rather select without him for the fun of it.
    Thought about Denis Compton but figured that he'd run half the side out during the pressure of a ODI. Was tempted to select Stan McCabe as Barry Richard's partner.

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    victor trumper and jack gregory, and richie benaud, would be obvious choices for an ODI XI, IMO,


    I would go for....

    trumper
    grace
    weeks
    compton
    hammond
    miller
    ames +
    gregory
    davidson
    lindwall
    benaud

    if you believe the ol' timers, they all can really bat
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    At Dover in 1937 Kent were set 218 to win off about 27-28 overs during the final day in their match against Gloustershire. Woolley (aged 50 years) opened the innings and smashed 44 runs during the opening 2 overs to set the tone. Lesley Ames came in at No.3 and then belted 70 in 39 minutes. In end Kent scored the require runs in just 23 overs, and with 19 minutes to spare;

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    Point being, I reckon that Ames would go OK in a ODI.


    Now that I think of it, Frank Woolley is also a tempting selection due to his 305 runs in less than 2 sessions (229 minutes) against Tasmania in 1912 (among others);

    http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Sc...ds/8/8620.html
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    Never played an ODI ODI XI- without Bradman

    - V. Trumper
    - B. Richards
    - G. Pollock
    - D. Compton
    - F. Woolley
    - K. Miller
    - M. Procter
    - L. Ames
    - R. Lindwall
    - A. Davidson
    - C. Grimmett


    Woolley is a must.
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    I always find it interesting that people stack their "never played ODIs" batting lineup with aggressive boundary-hitters even though overly boundary-reliant players have struggled in the format unless they've been able to go over the infield. This is especially true for positions 3-5. The key to middle overs batting in 50 over cricket is not having a great stroke range and naturally hitting a lot of boundaries against Test fields; it's minimising dots and hitting good balls into gaps. I don't think these super-aggressive boundary-laden innings are quite the examples of batting we should be looking for.

    Adam Voges averages over 50 and strikes at over 90 in ODIs despite only scoring 35% of his ODI runs in boundaries and striking at less than 50 in First Class cricket. Michael Slater on the other hand was known for his aggressive stroke play at Test level, recording a strike rate of 53 in the Tests which was almost unheard of for an opener at the time.. and he scored almost 40% of his ODI runs in boundaries (almost all of which were fours) but struck at 60 and averaged below 25 because he couldn't get off strike.
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