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South African Domestic Season 2009/10

SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
TT Boy said:
Alexander isn't that small, similar build and height to Steyn. Around 5'10/11. Hits enough batsman to suggest he is hard to handle. de Wet is around the same height also.

I'm 5'10'' and Alexander is shorter than me by a tad. Most people call me short in SA. lol

I think Walters of the Titans could be anything. Built like a brick**** house and despite not having a great amount of pace currently, he does bowl a heavy ball and looks capable of bowling quicker. Had a pretty decent tour of Australia, as did most of the Emerging bowlers.

Decent but nothing great. Very similar to Garnett Kruger who has a scatter gun radar. Absolutely huge he is and wouldn't do badly as a lock for the Springboks.

Lots of young quicks around and given Ntini is on his last legs, places are up for grabs. Parnell isn't a dead cert whilst there is also a vacant third seamer slot to be taken.
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Parnell and McLaren and Morne will fight it out to be number 8 in the order for the first test. Mickey has been in the SA press stating Parnell is hammering on the door to the test incumbents.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
SeamUp said:
Dane Vilas looks decent but prefer Kuhn and Smit. He also played his first season and we need to see his second.

I used to be a big fan of VVJ but has too many flaws despite breaking Biffs records at KES.
He can come into bat on an absolute Viper of a pitch at the Wanderes which you normally get and make it look easy but it took him along time to adapt to provincial cricket due to his lack of self-confidence and technical ability.

He will not get the chances for SA as he got for the Lions or Gauteng. He doesn't have good enough defence and is not tight enough early in his innings. Those are to primary things you need to have to be successful at international level because you will get more wicket taking balls at the very top and defence is key to stop them. Lastly he cannot face spin if his life depended on it. I would go as far as to say he is worse than Andrew Hudson and 'Judge' Smith at playing spin.
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Yeah VB is the worst player of spin in the country. Probably up there with Kempie but he does have a sweep, which sometimes gets himself out of trouble, when in doubt, just sweep.

Don't think Smit's batting is good enough for international cricket. Kuhn could bat six/seven in test cricket, not sure if Smit can. Could be an option in limited overs cricket, as he offers the side bowling and is an innovative batsman.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
I've got to be honest and say Dawid Malan isn't a real loss to SA cricket. He wouldn't make the Cobras team. I did see that 100 in the T20 on skysports a couple of years ago but is he a one hit wonder?

I follow SA, ENG and AUS domestic cricket closely and Dawid Malan hasn't been doing anything great.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
SeamUp said:
Parnell and McLaren and Morne will fight it out to be number 8 in the order for the first test. Mickey has been in the SA press stating Parnell is hammering on the door to the test incumbents.
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A good Champions Trophy, ODI series against England will guarantee selection but Parnell's record in first class cricket isn't that hot and he impressed more with the bat than the ball with Kent.
 
Jarquis

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
TT Boy said:
Dawid Malan's career is built on one performance, a 20/20 game against Lancashire where he took apart Flintoff. Did nothing at Boland prior to joining Middlesex. But SeamUp is talking about another Malan, Pieter of the Titans.

Pieter Malan | South Africa Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com
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Yeah tbh you're right. I saw that innings and then for the following month the had the "Eye on England" for every live game he played. Although during that period he did back it up with some good FC performances. Just over the course of a few weeks it built up some expectation in my mind, even if it was a false dawn it showed promise.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
Wayne Parnell to me is one of those cricketers who will not be as impressive in domestic cricket as he will be in international cricket. You just get those cricketers and a good example is Ashwell Prince is SA.

You cannot purely look at stats when it comes to Parnell because if you just watch him he has an edge about him that clearly has game-breaker written on his forehead.

I don't know if you know what I mean TT Boy.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I understand your point and the example of Prince is valid, as big game temperament and the ability to score runs in 'hard' causes puts him above far more glamorous and statistically better batsman in South African cricket. But first class cricket is a different beast and whilst Parnell has excelled in limited overs cricket, does he currently have the patience or craft to toil away for days? I listened to a lot of Kent's first class games this season and whilst Parnell impressed with his pace and control, he didn't comeback well.

Ntini is 99 tests, so unless the selectors are extremely ruthless and ready to take exceptional levels of flak, he has to start the series. He really should have been retired after the Australian series away. Great way to go out and unfortunately for Ntini, pace was one of his greatest gifts, and with that gone he doesn't have much to fall back on.

So Albie's third seamer role will probably be the only slot open come the first test.
 
kingkallis

kingkallis

International Coach
TT Boy said:
Lions - Craig Alexander, Werner Coetsee, Stephen Cook, Dane Vilas, Friedel de Wet, Zander de Bruyn, Andre Nel, Heinrich le Roux, Neil McKenzie, Jean Symes, Aaron Phangiso, Virus, Jonathan Vandiar, VB van Jaarsveld, Thami Tsolekile, Ugasen Govender.

The Lions biggest problem like last year will be getting four black cricketers on the pitch. Virus, Vandiar and Alexander pick themselves but a guy like Dane Vilas may have to play as a specialist batsman (he can), to accommodate Tsolekile. Worrying thing for the franchise is that they still can't produce their own players of colours - like the Titans they always have to poach from the Cape.

Exciting team though. High hopes for Alexander, probably the quickest bowler outside the national side in South Africa with Plaatijes of the Cobras. Nice action as well, shades of Charl Langeveldt and like Langeveldt, he is capable of swinging the ball both ways.

Spoke of Vandiar but Vilas is also a serious talent. Very easy on the eye and has all the shots. Interesting how VB van Jaarsveld reacts after such a disappointing tour of Australia, had multiple opportunities to impress but really did buckle under the pressure.
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A very nervous talent, just like Mark Ramprakash! Too early to say that though...
 
kingkallis

kingkallis

International Coach
TT Boy said:
I understand your point and the example of Prince is valid, as big game temperament and the ability to score runs in 'hard' causes puts him above far more glamorous and statistically better batsman in South African cricket. But first class cricket is a different beast and whilst Parnell has excelled in limited overs cricket, does he currently have the patience or craft to toil away for days? I listened to a lot of Kent's first class games this season and whilst Parnell impressed with his pace and control, he didn't comeback well.

Ntini is 99 tests, so unless the selectors are extremely ruthless and ready to take exceptional levels of flak, he has to start the series. He really should have been retired after the Australian series away. Great way to go out and unfortunately for Ntini, pace was one of his greatest gifts, and with that gone he doesn't have much to fall back on.

So Albie's third seamer role will probably be the only slot open come the first test.
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Its time to bid farewell to Ntini really...cant hold Parnell's test level debut for long!

And no - McLaren is not a test level player yet...
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
popepouri said:
I believe that should go to Lopsy then. He should be ahead of Parnell in Tests.
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The only problem with that is Tsotsobe can't bat. Don't think South Africa want a tail where Ntini is batting 10.

Ideal situation is Ntini gets his 100th cap and then retires into the sunset.
 
popepouri

popepouri

State Vice-Captain
TT Boy said:
The only problem with that is Tsotsobe can't bat. Don't think South Africa want a tail where Ntini is batting 10.

Ideal situation is Ntini gets his 100th cap and then retires into the sunset.
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The tail has been long for a while though when Morne wasn't contributing.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
But Morne when not facing SLA, gave the impression he could and can bat. Harris is a battler but he should be batting in all honest at 10, not 8 which he would be doing if you went in with Ntini and Tsotsobe. Steyn is an enigma, as he can hit the ball miles and defend with the best of them but doesn't seem to care much for his batting.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Didn't make his century but encouraging nevertheless. Don't think he will be at six for long.

Also, encouraging to see Friend in the wickets. Bowls at a lively pace and gives the impression he could go further.

Lions play South Africa later in the week in two one day practice games. Be interesting how de Wet, Alexander, Vandiar and Vilas do against the big boys. Great opportunity to impress.
 
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