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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Obviously, but it is good to hear about up-and-coming talent.
    Let them go into Duleep/Deodhar/IPL teams for now, if the South/East teams are willing to give young Indian talent a chance. But then, you have some very talented players in all skills who've been cast aside, for a long time, and some still in the team now. The idea should be to help these players stay and get better, while trying to get back some of those lost in the past, like Nehra. This particular recall has done wonders for the team, though it's now coming unstuck in this series. A series of good performances, especially in team wins, should get some of them back. For instance, rather than try out this bloke Mithun right now, the idea should be to get RP Singh and Chawla back on track.
    "Talent is nothing without opportunity"
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    No one is saying to try out Mithun now, he has only played a few matches. However, to be aware of someone who may be a future international player (as opposed to a 115kph trundler, who will never be) is something to pass the time.
    The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunil Mathew View Post
    Talking about Mithun, what is of great importance to me is this great ability of him to bowl bouncers and that too from just short of a length, something which can unsettle any batsmen. To me this ability is key difference between a run of the mill fast medium bowler and a nippy if not fearsome bowler. Of the current crop of indian pacers (nehra/zaheer/praveen/munaf/sreesantg etc) none has this special ability. Surprisingly even Ishant sharma with all his height still does not possess a good bouncer as manifested in the amount of runs he has leaked whenever he has tried the bouncer. In fact since the prime days of Javagal Srinath cant remember any indian bowler having this most valuable tool of a fast bowler.
    What would be his speed? Cricinfo mentions him as a right arm medium bowler.

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    I am also very excited with Manish Pandey. I remember his IPL innings against CSK. It was full of great storkes. Hope he can make it to the Indian side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruxdude View Post
    What would be his speed? Cricinfo mentions him as a right arm medium bowler.
    Trust me, cricinfo speed listings mean precisely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Trust me, cricinfo speed listings mean precisely nothing.
    But how quickly does he bowl? 135 kph? I hope he is not a 120 kph bowler who can't make the step up.

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    Don't really care whether this Mithun guy bowls really quick or not.... but one thing i do care about is the selectors picking him to play International cricket too early just like Ishant was chosen too early in his career and than dropped.
    Hopefully this young lad is allowed full time to develop him game at dometic level and if he continues to succeed after couple of seasons than give him a chance at international level.


    I'm excited about Manish Pandey too.. hopefully he does well.. There's alot of batting talent to be excited about. I haven't seen all of them bat but Mukund, Pujara, Rahne and of course Rohit Sharma, Kohli and Raina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    No one is saying to try out Mithun now, he has only played a few matches. However, to be aware of someone who may be a future international player (as opposed to a 115kph trundler, who will never be) is something to pass the time.
    They can, at best, pick up someone who is taking a bagful of wickets and use scientific methods to increase that bowler's pace. He's doing a good job, so just make him better. Ranadeb Bose gets wickets aplenty, so pick him and work to make him better, rather than cast him aside for the faster but wayward Dinda- not the absolute, but an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruxdude View Post
    I am also very excited with Manish Pandey. I remember his IPL innings against CSK. It was full of great storkes. Hope he can make it to the Indian side.
    He may have a shout as a short-term T20 specialist right now.

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    thanks for the response friends. hope more friends join this unglamorous but pertinent topic of indian domestic cricket scene. We are not here to unearth any talents as we are incapable of that through this forum, but at least we could bring to the notice of avid cricket lovers some genuine domestic talents. Manee bhai, don't blame sreesanth for his no show in the first match of the season as that particular wicket was dead and as simple as that evidence of that; For the entire match, the wicket column tally of medium pacers both sides included = 1. Even the great Mcgrath would have struggled to take a wicket there. The talassery cricket pitch has been that like for years and sadly as usual the authorities are least bothered about it. . After the match sreesanth was seen flashing a comment on TV that "great that we don't get to play another match in this ground". Imagine the situation where he feels something of blessing not to play a match in a home ground.

    For Mithun, not for a second i was advocating him to be immediately drafted into the Indian side. Let him go through the hard grind of domestic cricket and come out successful. But definitely there is an air of excitement about him.

    The comment on Ishant needs a correction. Actually in his case if you observe carefully, it makes an interesting study. His growth as well a decline as a fast bowler has been when he has been with the Indian team. First, when he was selected for England tour he was hardly bowling above 135kmph and was just about sharp. But then a sudden and surprising transformation came about during a short time between that tour and the Australian tour and during this period he hardly played any domestic cricket. By the end of that australian tour he was bowling consistently in the 145kmph range. This clearly means that the time spend with the Indian team was well spend for him. His decline started with the onset of the first IPL and it has been a gradual and steady one. To me without being too analytical the simple reason for his decline has been the loss of that in cutter or inswinger whatever it is. With the inswinger gone he has been like a fighter with no weapon in his armoury. when he had that potent inswinger, the ball that straightened a bit was too much for any a batsman.

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    The case of Ranadeb bose has to be one of the most unfortunate ones in indian cricket. Come on selectors, just give him one match he cant bowl more worse than 0-73, 0-63 etc etc that what we are seeing these day from our frontline pacers. And there is a bonus too. he never ever bowls a no ball. it seems he has never ever bowled a no ball in first class cricket. Believe me he does something with the new ball no doubt about that.

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    Strange are the ways of the state selection committees all over India. Examples of Some myopic selection policies at the start of this season.

    Punjab:
    Chandan Madan the exciting and dashing wk batsman being ignored for the first match of the Ranji trophy. The men being preferred are the 36 or 37 something Pankaj dharmani / ankur thakur etc. In what should have been a break through year for him he is now left pondering his future in the sidelines. In fact the punjab selectors have always been erratic and inconsistent in their handling of this prodigiously talented cricketer right from his junior days. A consistent run in the side is what he deserves at this stage of his career.

    Sushant Marathe :

    This guy has to play for Mumbai. this opening batsman has it in him to graduate to the next level. possessing a keen eye and strokes all round the wicket he started well for mumbai in the pre season warmup tournaments where he was their highest and consistent run getter down south of india. But come first match he has been ignored being unable to force through the top heavy mumbai batting line up. Eventhough sahil kukreja (looks a very limited player fit just for the domestic grind) scored 95 in the season opener, for sheer talent or potential he is well ahead of him and rahane (an over rated player in my opinion)

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    Another topic to be discussed here; The selection of board presidents eleven team to play against sri lanka. I am absolutely flabbergasted seeing the team chart. It is a bunch of international no hoppers. Tried and tried and tried and tired poor souls they are really. What is there to be seen of guys like A nayyar, a dinda, pankaj singh, pradeep sangwan etc. i am really at a loss for words friends. If according to srikanth and company, pradeep sangwan and ashok dinda are the next great pace bowling hopes and abishek nayar the great allround hope then God save us crazy indian cricket fans. It defies common sense why the selectors always pick the squads well in advance. In this case they could have waited for the first round of ranji matches to finish for their holy selection process and could have got a form indicator of the players. Players like B kumar of up must be wondering what they have done wrong. this kumar is the only decent medium pace bowling allrounder available in domestic circuit other than agarkar to say the least. Are the selectors watching these ranji road show all over the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunil Mathew View Post
    Another topic to be discussed here; The selection of board presidents eleven team to play against sri lanka. I am absolutely flabbergasted seeing the team chart. It is a bunch of international no hoppers. Tried and tried and tried and tired poor souls they are really. What is there to be seen of guys like A nayyar, a dinda, pankaj singh, pradeep sangwan etc. i am really at a loss for words friends. If according to srikanth and company, pradeep sangwan and ashok dinda are the next great pace bowling hopes and abishek nayar the great allround hope then God save us crazy indian cricket fans. It defies common sense why the selectors always pick the squads well in advance. In this case they could have waited for the first round of ranji matches to finish for their holy selection process and could have got a form indicator of the players. Players like B kumar of up must be wondering what they have done wrong. this kumar is the only decent medium pace bowling allrounder available in domestic circuit other than agarkar to say the least. Are the selectors watching these ranji road show all over the country.
    Yes, let's look at the squad.

    Board President's XI: Rohit Sharma (capt), Robin Uthappa, Abhinav Mukund, Ajinkya Rahane, Manoj Tiwary, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), Piyush Chawla, Pragyan Ojha, Pradeep Sangwan, Dhawal Kulkarni, Ashok Dinda, Pankaj Singh, Abhishek Nayar, Ishank Jaggi.
    Rohit, Mukund, Rahane, Tiwary have good domestic records, so they can be allowed. Rohit took a while to get to grips with FC cricket but his last season was good and they obviously regard him as a long term prospect. Uthappa may be seen as questionable, but his last season was pretty solid. Have not seen Saha keep, but his batting average is 36.53 in FC cricket which is good and he averaged 42.13 last year. Conclusion is that the batting is okay, they want to go in with young promising talent and they have done that. Not too sure why Jaggi is there, considering he has only done well in the OD format, not the FC format.

    Piyush Chawla is a good, long term prospect, but in his last two seasons in India, he has averaged over 30 with the ball. However, I guess we can allow his conclusion on the basis of his tremendous stint for Sussex with bat and ball. Pragyan Ojha is a good bowler too, no problems with his inclusion. Dhawal Kulkarni had a good breakthrough season and so he can stay in too. However, I am a bit worried by Ashok Dinda's inclusion, he has been favoured due to his pace and therefore picked off just the one season in the Plate League, a season which Ranadeb Bose matched him in, not to mention that Bose has had many superb seasons before that.

    Nayar should be nowhere near international cricket, imo, as he is a bits and pieces player. Pradeep Sangwan has not built on his first FC season and averaged 39.41 last year, so God knows why he is there. Pankaj Singh is obviously favoured by the selectors due to his height and he did take 11 wickets in his last game, but again, he averaged 31.78 last season, simply not good enough.

    My XI would be:

    1. Robin Uthappa
    2. Abhinav Mukund
    3. Ajinkya Rahane
    4. Rohit Sharma (capt)
    5. Manoj Tiwary
    6. Abhishek Nayar
    7. Wriddhiman Saha (wk)
    8. Piyush Chawla
    9. Pragyan Ojha
    10. Ashok Dinda
    11. Dhawal Kulkarni

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    Manee bhai,

    Let me dissect the Board Presidents xi a little further and add my take on it.

    Among the BP XI save one or two there is hardly any player in whom I could see that X factor or the oomph factor whatever they call it or someone who could be termed as a long term prospect.


    1.RobinUthappa (still have some belief left in him, for ODI especially)
    2. Abhinav Mukund (From what I have seen, I am not convinced of him seems to be a Flat track bully(FB) only)
    3. Ajinkya Rahane (as mentioned earlier not entirely convincing an FB might be)
    4. Rohit Sharma (capt) (erratic Selection process, himself, IPL all contributing to the decline of what should have been the next great talent in India. What a pity)
    5. Manoj Tiwary( Lacks that X factor. Not convinced of his international credentials)
    6. Abhishek Nayar ( Already stated)
    7. Wriddhiman Saha (wk) (Nothing special about him in order to replace Dinesh Kartik in the pecking order)
    8. Piyush Chawla (Didnít see much improvement in his bowling during the challengers trophy. Still profligate and that ripping leg break still a distant dream.
    9. Pragyan Ojha (Easily the best left arm spinner in India. How dearly India missed his wicket taking ability in the middle overs during the Australia series. Should have been the first choice spinner ahead of Harbajan singh in the ODIís. Cant remember hardly a single match he has disappointed when given a chance. Whereas there has been disappointments only from Harbajan)
    10. Ashok Dinda (nothing more to add)
    11. Dhawal Kulkarni (Donít see him going far. Could churn out overs after overs in domestic circles and be always there in the fringes. His physique is a limitation)

    Note the comment of Srikkanth while selecting the team "We have made a conscious decision to make sure that we have given lot of opportunities to everybody; lot of new faces, new comers, and some cricketers who have been around but are now out, to redeem themselves," Kris Srikkanth, India's chairman of selectors, said. "We are trying to get new faces. People who we have seen or are absolute certainties, we didn't want to pick. We wanted everybody to prove themselves, that's the idea of the Board President's XI." . This statement of his is a contradiction of sorts. Who are the absolute certainties outside this X1 he is talking about. Were are the new comers in this side not a single one in fact. All these guys have been forming the core of India A sides/ BP XI,s etc for some time now. And after yet again picking up the same set of guys he is making such a statement. If he wanted to observe some new and fresh faces there are a number of guys who caught the eye last year. I have always felt that the selection of bright young talents just going by cold statistics has been non productive over the years and damaging to some real talents. Over the years what we have been seeing from our selectors time and again is that they just depend on the bloated averages in the domestic competitions which is never a true indicator of a players talent. There have been only rare instances of a selector be it a state or national selector spotting a genuine talent without relying on averages or figures. one example of that is Sudeep tyagi being selected to the UP side. (foresight of M Kaif). Let me list a few players who could have been tried out in some positions.

    Rahul Dewan of Haryana (opening batsman). compact solid opener with good strokes. had a good season last year and has again started of well this season. Delhis loss Haryanas gain it seems.

    Arun Kartik of Tamil Nadu (opening bat.) Highly regarded in domestic circles. he has already made a name himself as a dashing opener. has a wide a array of strokes and compact too and after the first season has a plus 50 average. If he curbs his instincts a bit more, could be more devastating. Would love to see this guy lining up against much sterner bowling attacks than what we have in the domestic set up. Keep note of this guy. this might be the breakthrough year for him.

    S. Suresh kumar of Tamil Nadu. (Middle order bat and more than useful offspinner). This lad is a natural talent who if handled properly and given the right chances would go very far. Again highly regarded in the domestic circles, this short statured batsman is such a clean striker of the ball and with a good temperament to boot, which was evident in that innings of 87 in the challenger trophy this year. Already a member of CSK in IPL his off spin is often under rated but has proven to be highly effective when given a chance. My instinct tells me that this lad has something in him that can take him very far.

    There are others too whom i find exciting or worth a watch when I scourge through the domestic circles. More of it later friends as works constraints limits me here.

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