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*Official* England in West Indies

Precambrian

Banned
Having followed the fortunes of Windies for quite some time, I won;t be surprised if they collapse to 230 all out from here on.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Having followed the fortunes of Windies for quite some time, I won;t be surprised if they collapse to 230 all out from here on.
Urban legend. In the past year the lowest amount of runs scored by the West Indies after losing two wickets is 136, the highest 311.

Runs in the last year from 2 down (lowest to highest)
136
157
159
190
228
230*
234
247*
249
250
253
253
311


So expect another 200 odd runs from here.

While at the opposite end of the spectrum have been a far less consistent England:
51*
86
91
144*
163
166
171
176
249
260
262
265
277
301
320
324
390*
476*

So while England have built some massive totals they've also collapsed far more often than the West Indians.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
I require the commentator's identity before even beginning to comment on this "rule".
I swear I've heard it on more than one occasion. Probably first on the West Indian tour of England, or perhaps the Indian tour of England. Pretty shocked that no one else recalls it
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Athlai - v interesting stat, thanks for putting it together.
Yeah so if we give West Indies 0 runs for the loss of the next wicket and add the lowest score they've put on this last year for the remaining 8 wickets we get a total of 296. If we do the same but with the highest score they've put on for the last 8 we get 471.
+whatever Sarwan and Gayle put on together
296-471

(Though I'd say about 220 seems likeliest and that'd give them 380 plus another 20 or so from the partnership :p WI to lead by 82 runs)
 

Precambrian

Banned
Urban legend. In the past year the lowest amount of runs scored by the West Indies after losing two wickets is 136, the highest 311.

Runs in the last year from 2 down (lowest to highest)
136
157
159
190
228
230*
234
247*
249
250
253
253
311


So expect another 200 odd runs from here.

While at the opposite end of the spectrum have been a far less consistent England:
51*
86
91
144*
163
166
171
176
249
260
262
265
277
301
320
324
390*
476*

So while England have built some massive totals they've also collapsed far more often than the West Indians.
Good find that mate.

I concocted that from mainly their disappointing performances in ODIs, which started the usage "Calypso Collapso"

And what are the figures for 3 wickets, 4 wickets etc?
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Interesting. Ive never heard of it.
This is so weird, and I always use that to gauge Test matches now. Like NZ in Australia when we dominated the first 3 sessions before being destroyed from then on. Surely someone on CW has heard this theory?
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
The thing about this 4 session theory for this Test is that England clearly won the 3rd session 102 runs for 1 wicket.
 

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