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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhmaster
    Doesn't matter whether he's boring or not, he's still one of England's greatest players.
    Yes he is, but he isn't as good as Hutton and Hobbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Underwood was a great bowler but one could consider the claims of Verity or Colin Blythe.
    I disagree, IMO he's a true great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    You have to see a post in context of the one it is replying. The post I was replying already had Hutton and Hobbs. Both openers (according to me and its an opinion) better than Boycott by far.

    With all the changes I had suggested, my team would have read
    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Compton
    May (or Barrington)
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott
    Fred Trueman
    Jim Laker
    Hedley Verity
    Syd Barnes
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    Seeing as it's all test teams i'll do an ODI one

    Amiss
    Knight
    Lamb
    Fairbrother
    Thorpe
    Flintoff
    Botham
    Knott
    Giles
    Gough
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baconator
    Seeing as it's all test teams i'll do an ODI one

    Amiss
    Knight
    Lamb
    Fairbrother
    Thorpe
    Flintoff
    Botham
    Knott
    Giles
    Gough
    Underwood
    no Hick??
    Giles is in???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Halsey
    I disagree, IMO he's a true great.
    Of course he is a great but so is Verity

    I think Underwood was very successful on helpful wickets but was very ordinary on flat tracks due to his fastish (virtually no flight) style of bowling. Again its just an opinion

    I have seen Underwood quite a bit but naturally only read about Verity.

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    Just to be a little off the wall here:

    J B Hobbs
    H Sutcliffe
    K S Ranjitsinji
    W R Hammond
    C B Fry
    L E G Ames
    W Rhodes
    G Hirst
    S F Barnes
    T Richardson (1000 wickets in 4 years!)
    A P Freeman

    Just my three-ha'pence worth!

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    where is W G Grace you clowns?

    as for Laker he was an absolute plodder except for one series which included that notable test at manchester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel56
    where is W G Grace you clowns?

    as for Laker he was an absolute plodder except for one series which included that notable test at manchester.
    Apparently we weren't paying WG enough for him to turn up.

    And I'll let someone else calculate Laker's test stats withiut the 1956 ashes. I suspect "plodder" may not be the most accurate description ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid
    Apparently we weren't paying WG enough for him to turn up.

    And I'll let someone else calculate Laker's test stats withiut the 1956 ashes. I suspect "plodder" may not be the most accurate description ever.
    I would agree there. Jim Laker was one of our greatest spin bowlers, along with Verity and Freeman. As for WG, Camel's made a good point about all of us omitting him, but who on earth can I take out of my eleven? And there's the rub... we are all going to have our views and even our own views will differ from day to day.

    Take out Hirst and replace with the good doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sussexshark
    I would agree there. Jim Laker was one of our greatest spin bowlers, along with Verity and Freeman. As for WG, Camel's made a good point about all of us omitting him, but who on earth can I take out of my eleven? And there's the rub... we are all going to have our views and even our own views will differ from day to day.

    Take out Hirst and replace with the good doctor.
    Freeman?? He may have rolled over average county players but was a liability against quality batsmen and for that very reason played about 12 Tests. To rank him above people like Rhodes or Underwood is ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid
    Apparently we weren't paying WG enough for him to turn up.

    And I'll let someone else calculate Laker's test stats withiut the 1956 ashes. I suspect "plodder" may not be the most accurate description ever.
    147 wickets @ 24.47

    So even excluding ''Laker's Ashes'' the great off-spinner was still a match for any English spinner in history.

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    Yes perhaps they arent bad figures but certainly not a match winner int he same mould as S K Warne.
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    I'm gather this XI thing is post-war? Because it would be tough to leave The Doctor out of any side.

    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Ken Barrington
    Wally Hammond
    Denis Compton
    Wilfred Rhodes
    Godfrey Evans
    Fred Trueman
    Alec Bedser
    Brian Statham
    Hedley Verity

    Man, there were some damn tough calls to make! I mean, Peter May, John Edrich, Alan Knott, Derek taylor, etc. all miss out and on any given day, I'd probably change my mind several times. What a side though, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel56
    Yes perhaps they arent bad figures but certainly not a match winner int he same mould as S K Warne.
    Very debateable.
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