Once in a Generation Players

[aussie tragic]

Most prolific players by decade continued.......

1960’s

Batsman: Ken Barrington (6397 runs @ 59.78)
Allrounder: Gary Sobers (4563 runs @ 60.03; 162 wkts @ 32.29)
Wicketkeeper: Wally Grout (132 dismissals)
Bowler: Garth McKenzie (238 wkts @ 27.91)

1970’s

Batsman: Sunil Gavaskar (5647 runs @ 55.91)
Allrounder: Tony Greig (3599 runs @ 40.43; 141 wkts @ 32.20)
Wicketkeeper: Rod Marsh (209 dismissals)
Bowler: Derek Underwood (202 wkts @ 27.65)

1980’s

Batsman: Allan Border (7386 runs @ 55.11)
Allrounder*: Ian Botham (4051 runs @ 33.75; 258 wkts @ 32.39)
Wicketkeeper: Jeff Dujon (206 dismissals)
Bowler: Malcom Marshall (323 wkts @ 19.91)

* Kapil Dev is close 2nd (3353 runs @ 30.76; 272 wkts @ 29.54)

1990’s

Batsman: Alec Stewart (6407 runs @ 40.80)
Allrounder*: Chris Cairns (2026 runs @ 29.36; 150 wkts @ 28.90)
Wicketkeeper: Ian Healy (354 dismissals)
Bowler: Shane Warne (351 wkts @ 25.66)

* Shaun Pollock was close 2nd (1404 runs @ 31.90; 161 wkts @ 20.45)

2000’s

Batsman: Matthew Hayden (7571 runs @ 55.26)
Allrounder: Jaques Kallis (7348 runs @ 65.02; 168 wkts @ 32.18)
Wicketkeeper: Adam Gilchrist (372 dismissals)
Bowler: Muttiah Muralitharan (496 wkts @ 19.35)

 

[Fiery]

Most prolific players by decade continued.......
1980’s

Batsman: Allan Border (7386 runs @ 55.11)
Allrounder*: Ian Botham (4051 runs @ 33.75; 258 wkts @ 32.39)
Wicketkeeper: Jeff Dujon (206 dismissals)
Bowler: Malcom Marshall (323 wkts @ 19.91)

* Kapil Dev is close 2nd (3353 runs @ 30.76; 272 wkts @ 29.54)

Hadlee's 2040 runs @ 30.90; 289 wkts @ 19.28 must be challenging for best allrounder by way of bowling performances being so much better than Botham or Kapil Dev imo. Not sure how you are judging this but his average in both are better than Kapil's and bowling average is miles better than Botham while maintaining a fairly close batting average

 

[aussie tragic]

Hadlee's 2040 runs @ 30.90; 289 wkts @ 19.28 must be challenging for best allrounder by way of bowling performances being so much better than Botham or Kapil Dev imo. Not sure how you are judging this but his average in both are better than Kapil's and bowling average is miles better than Botham while maintaining a fairly close batting average

As this is purely a statistical list of the most prolific, averages don't come in to it....this means Hadlee did have 31 wkts more, however more than 2000 runs less so to me that means Botham was the most prolific allrounder (doesn't mean best).

 

[Fiery]

As this is purely a statistical list of the most prolific, averages don't come in to it....this means Hadlee did have 31 wkts more, however more than 2000 runs less so to me that means Botham was the most prolific allrounder (doesn't mean best).

OK, didn't notice the "prolific". Might be good to see one done using averages, with a number of runs or wickets qualification as well

 

[Jono]

Most prolific players by decade continued.......

1960’s

Batsman: Ken Barrington (6397 runs @ 59.78)
Allrounder: Gary Sobers (4563 runs @ 60.03; 162 wkts @ 32.29)
Wicketkeeper: Wally Grout (132 dismissals)
Bowler: Garth McKenzie (238 wkts @ 27.91)

1970’s

Batsman: Sunil Gavaskar (5647 runs @ 55.91)
Allrounder: Tony Greig (3599 runs @ 40.43; 141 wkts @ 32.20)
Wicketkeeper: Rod Marsh (209 dismissals)
Bowler: Derek Underwood (202 wkts @ 27.65)

1980’s

Batsman: Allan Border (7386 runs @ 55.11)
Allrounder*: Ian Botham (4051 runs @ 33.75; 258 wkts @ 32.39)
Wicketkeeper: Jeff Dujon (206 dismissals)
Bowler: Malcom Marshall (323 wkts @ 19.91)

* Kapil Dev is close 2nd (3353 runs @ 30.76; 272 wkts @ 29.54)

1990’s

Batsman: Alec Stewart (6407 runs @ 40.80)
Allrounder*: Chris Cairns (2026 runs @ 29.36; 150 wkts @ 28.90)
Wicketkeeper: Ian Healy (354 dismissals)
Bowler: Shane Warne (351 wkts @ 25.66)

* Shaun Pollock was close 2nd (1404 runs @ 31.90; 161 wkts @ 20.45)

2000’s

Batsman: Matthew Hayden (7571 runs @ 55.26)
Allrounder: Jaques Kallis (1524 runs @ 27.70; 168 wkts @ 32.18)
Wicketkeeper: Adam Gilchrist (372 dismissals)
Bowler: Muttiah Muralitharan (496 wkts @ 19.35)

In the 90s, who came close to scoring more than Stewart? How many did Lara, Sachin and S Waugh make if you don't mind me asking?

Btw, Interesting to note Bradman doesn't feature.

 

[Fiery]

1990’s

Allrounder*: Chris Cairns (2026 runs @ 29.36; 150 wkts @ 28.90)

 

[aussie tragic]

In the 90s, who came close to scoring more than Stewart? How many did Lara, Sachin and S Waugh make if you don't mind me asking?

Most prolific means most runs, wkts, dismissals.

Most runs from 1990s is here:

http://stats.cricinfo.com/australia...t_runs_career.html?class=1;id=199;type=decade

 

[Jono]

Tendulkar averaged 58 in the 90s?

What a legend.

 

[aussie tragic]

Tendulkar averaged 58 in the 90s?

What a legend.

Yep, the highest of anyone...

Highest averages for 1990s - Test matches

SR Tendulkar (India) 5626 runs @ 58.00
JG Wright (NZ) 1662 runs @ 55.40
VG Kambli (India) 1084 runs @ 54.20
SR Waugh (Aus) 6213 runs @ 53.10
DI Gower (Eng) 848 runs @ 53.00
BC Lara (WI) 5573 runs @ 51.60
GA Gooch (Eng) 4176 runs @ 51.55

 

[Migara]

Hadlee's 2040 runs @ 30.90; 289 wkts @ 19.28 must be challenging for best allrounder by way of bowling performances being so much better than Botham or Kapil Dev imo. Not sure how you are judging this but his average in both are better than Kapil's and bowling average is miles better than Botham while maintaining a fairly close batting average

No debate that Hadlee's bowling performances were match winning. But Kapil's and Botham's batting and bowling performances won matches single handedly. Both of them demoralized the opposition with batting or bowling. I doubt whether Hadlee was that destructive with the bat (he has 3 centuries isn't it?)

 

[Migara]

Best bowler of 1990s: Ambrose and Donald
Best Bowlers of 2000s: Murali and Warne

 

[Migara]

Allrounder*: Chris Cairns (2026 runs @ 29.36; 150 wkts @ 28.90)

Obviously forgot Wasim Akram. (1956 @ 22.74, 289 wickets @ 21.45)

 

[Migara]

1990s
Ambrose - 309 @ 20.14
Donald - 284 @ 21.83
Wasim Akram - 289 @ 21.45
Waqar Younis - 273 @ 21.71

 

[Migara]

1970’s

Batsman: Viv Richards (2640 runs @ 57.39)
Allrounder: Tony Greig (3599 runs @ 40.43; 141 wkts @ 32.20)
Wicketkeeper: Rod Marsh (209 dismissals)
Bowler: Dennis Lillee (181 wkts @ 23.59)

1980’s

Batsman: Allan Border (7386 runs @ 55.11)
Allrounder*: Ian Botham (4051 runs @ 33.75; 258 wkts @ 32.39)
Wicketkeeper: Jeff Dujon (206 dismissals)
Bowler: Malcom Marshall (323 wkts @ 19.91)

* Kapil Dev is close 2nd (3353 runs @ 30.76; 272 wkts @ 29.54)

1990’s

Batsman: Sachin Tendulkar (5626 runs @ 58.00)
Allrounder*: Wasim Akram. (1956 @ 22.74, 289 wickets @ 21.45)
Wicketkeeper: Ian Healy (354 dismissals)
Bowler:Curtly Ambrose - (309 wickets @ 20.14)

2000’s

Batsman: Ricky Ponting (7416 runs @ 65.62)
Allrounder: Jaques Kallis (7348 runs @ 65.02; 168 wkts @ 32.18)
Wicketkeeper: Adam Gilchrist (372 dismissals)
Bowler: Muttiah Muralitharan (496 wkts @ 19.35)

 

[Perm]

Obviously forgot Wasim Akram. (1956 @ 22.74, 289 wickets @ 21.45)

Wasim Akram wasn't a genuine all-rounder though, he was an excellent bowler who could bat. Similar to Chaminda Vaas, Anil Kumble and Shane Warne.

 

[Beleg]

Um, he was a far better batsman than Warne, Vaas and specially Kumble. He was probably in the same group as Richard Hadlee - not quite an accomplished batsman but far better than the likes of Kumble et al.

 

[Perm]

Um, he was a far better batsman than Warne, Vaas and specially Kumble. He was probably in the same group as Richard Hadlee - not quite an accomplished batsman but far better than the likes of Kumble et al.

While I do think he is better than Warne, Vaas and Kumble, I was saying that his record can be reasonably compared to theirs in the fact he was primarily a bowler but could also contribute handy runs.

Personally I don't think he can be compared to Hadlee at all when it comes to batting. He avearges 5 points lower, and has 8 less half-centuries despite having batted in 13 more innings. If you need any more proof then just have a look at their FC records, as that speaks volumes about the issue.

 

[Fiery]

I'm sick of people telling me that Hadlee was not a genuine allrounder and was just a bowler who could bat a bit. Anyone who can scored the 1000 run/100 wicket double in the 80's was a genuine allrounder.

He hit the ball better than anyway in the NZ team during the time he played. If he hadn't been a bowler he would have been a hell of a batsman, easily good enough to hold his place in the New Zealand team. He averaged 38 for Nottinghamshire and played a number of fine OD knocks. He could play two games, particularly against the spinners - he had a better defensive technique against the mediums than the slows - but the main thing about his batting was the lovely swing of the bat and the clean strikes, especially down the ground. He was a superb striker of a cricket ball. Most batsmen clip it well now and then but he smacked it very crisply most of the time.

He was great to watch because you never knew what was going to happen next. Because he really went for it, he gave it a good nudge or missed; he was seldom out playing a half and half sort of shot. The prospect of Hadlee coming out to bat was akin to say Chris Cairns. His 99 against England in 1984 was a fantastic innings to watch - it also won the game for NZ. There were plenty of times when his batting won or contributed to winning games actually. Batting is harder psychologically than bowling so he definitely took the right option in concentrating more on his bowling but if he hadn't he would have been as good as anyone with the bat.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'm sick of people telling me that Hadlee was not a genuine allrounder.

Hadlee was not a genuine allrounder. But then again you can count genuine Test allrounders on...........something with not many digits.......Sobers...Miller.....Botham....................................Imran...............................................................................................................Kapil Dev.

 

[Fiery]

Hadlee was not a genuine allrounder.

Bollocks