Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I wonder whether he'll get a "2nd" chance either way TBH.
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***Official*** New Zealand in South Africa
- Thread starter James
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I wonder whether he'll get a "2nd" chance either way TBH.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
South African Invitational side for next weeks game at Bloemfontein, Human leads the side.
Morne van Wyk
Imraan Khan
Boeta Dippenaar
Ahmed Amla
Davy Jacobs
Zander de Bruyn
Thami Tsolekile
Thandi Tshabalala
Monde Zondeki
Lonwabo Tsotsobe
Yusuf Abdullah
Ethy Mbhalati
Players from the Lions, Neil McKenzie, Friedel de Wet, Alviro Petersen et cetera were all made unavailable for selection.
South Africa's A side will be announced next week for the preceding warm-up game at Potchefstroom.
Morne van Wyk
Imraan Khan
Boeta Dippenaar
Ahmed Amla
Davy Jacobs
Zander de Bruyn
Thami Tsolekile
Thandi Tshabalala
Monde Zondeki
Lonwabo Tsotsobe
Yusuf Abdullah
Ethy Mbhalati
Players from the Lions, Neil McKenzie, Friedel de Wet, Alviro Petersen et cetera were all made unavailable for selection.
South Africa's A side will be announced next week for the preceding warm-up game at Potchefstroom.
Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Vettori would be keen to win against this team and start the tour on a good note. It would have been great had if the NZ-SAF test series is decided by 3 test matches. only 2 tests makes me feel sick
Flem274*
123/5
Orams record reliable? Doesn't it usually go 0,0,0,0,12,4,123,0,0,0,140,4,45,0,0,...
Compared to 30,,20,0,40,50,50,0,100,40,40,50,30,0,200,..
(These are not real scores, just examples)
McCullum shouldn't open because his legs would fall off if he had to keep for 1-2 days then open for a few hours.
He also isn't suited to it.
And why forget technical stuff? No.6 is very important. Technique goes a long way to going well in it.
As for Oram coming in and scoring hundred against Aussie attacks, sure good score but one game does not make a career. I could say Fleming is the best in the world because he made 274* vs Murali and co in Sri Lanka. Does it make him the best? No it does not.
Your next statement will be "Since when did I say Oram was the best in the world?" You didn't, but the same terminology applies. One score does not make one player better than the other.
kiwipostereborn
Banned
When was I judging oram on one innings? his overall record as a batsman is superb!
I also think we won't miss Franklin much, he is only effective vs minnows like bangladesh and zimbabwe.
Oram is an X-factor player.
I also think we won't miss Franklin much, he is only effective vs minnows like bangladesh and zimbabwe.
Oram is an X-factor player.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fleming is comfortably ahead of Oram as a Test batsman, but I do rate Oram very highly. He has shown that he can play big knocks against tough opposition, something that we need from our lower order. Coupled with battlers like McCullum, Vettori and Franklin he can be very effective at #6.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Franklins only played 2 tests against both Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and he didn't perform much better in those tests than he normally does, Franklin is easily our second best seam bowler in test matches and he's turned himself into a heck of a lower order batsman. I think dismissing him so off-handedly is a very silly thing to do.
Franklin averages 56 with the bat in South Africa and 25.6 with the ball which is pretty outstanding these days. He's had success against every team in the world besides Australia either with the bat or the ball.
His batting average is showing a very impressive uphill trend, it's went up 10 in the last 2 years and not many teams can boast such an impressive tail as the NZ squad when Franklins at 9. Though he is probably due to move up the order because his batting has looked so solid lately.
His test bowling has also been good throughout most of his career. Franklin is hugely underrated by NZ fans, and IMO he's only going to get better as the years go by.
Franklin averages 56 with the bat in South Africa and 25.6 with the ball which is pretty outstanding these days. He's had success against every team in the world besides Australia either with the bat or the ball.
His batting average is showing a very impressive uphill trend, it's went up 10 in the last 2 years and not many teams can boast such an impressive tail as the NZ squad when Franklins at 9. Though he is probably due to move up the order because his batting has looked so solid lately.
His test bowling has also been good throughout most of his career. Franklin is hugely underrated by NZ fans, and IMO he's only going to get better as the years go by.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He's underrated because he can't play ODI's to save himself. Sadly, people don't realise how good he is at Test cricket. Our best bowler after Bond, IMO.
Flem274*
123/5
Are you insane? No seriously, that is a crazy thing to say. He's our best test seamer after bond FFS.
And Oram's record is highly inconsistent. I do think that with his bowling going downhill that he should focus on batting and then hopefully we'll get alot more of his big scores.
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Bracewell eyes batting role for Hopkins
Played well enough last season, won a couple of games for Otago but I've never been a fan of two wicket-keepers in the same side. Given he's only a very average List A batsman, it's a bad comment to be making and could lead to another poor selection.
Played well enough last season, won a couple of games for Otago but I've never been a fan of two wicket-keepers in the same side. Given he's only a very average List A batsman, it's a bad comment to be making and could lead to another poor selection.
Flem274*
123/5
It sounds as if McCullum will be opening again with Hopkins at 7. Personally I am a fan of hopkins but I believe that McCullum is far better than him at batting and keeping and would prefer McCullum at 7 with Papps and Vincent opening. Of course, logical selections have never been Bracewell's strong point.
Matt52
U19 Vice-Captain
Agreed. Hopkins is a good player but nothing more. I had hoped this was going to be Vincents chance to move down o the middle order , his preferred spot, but it seems Vincent, a decent talent, is going to be kept in the opening position to make way for Hopkins, an average talent, It seems a little strange to me, but just speculation at the moment,.
sportychic33
State 12th Man
Isn't it a bit hard to be discussing Oram's batting record regarding consistency, as the only consistency he has is being injured and missing a majority of test matches. However, I do believe that he has the potential to be a great number 6 batsman.
Anyway for reference these are all his test match scores
0,3,26*,33,19,74,16,5,7,6,23*, 97,3,119*, 90,34,40 (2002 – 2004)
67,4,39,36,14,0,23,38,126,8,12,40 (England 2004 – Aussie 2004)
133,2,13,8,18,27,1,12,1 (SA 05/06 til SL in NZ 2006)
Average at 5: 27 (1 not out)
Average at 6: 35.06 ( 1 not out)
Average at 7: 50.4 (6 not outs)
Average at 8: 37.9
Anyway for reference these are all his test match scores
0,3,26*,33,19,74,16,5,7,6,23*, 97,3,119*, 90,34,40 (2002 – 2004)
67,4,39,36,14,0,23,38,126,8,12,40 (England 2004 – Aussie 2004)
133,2,13,8,18,27,1,12,1 (SA 05/06 til SL in NZ 2006)
Average at 5: 27 (1 not out)
Average at 6: 35.06 ( 1 not out)
Average at 7: 50.4 (6 not outs)
Average at 8: 37.9
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Flem274*
123/5
Doesn't Oram have 160 odd as his top score? When was that scored?
And can we please, please, go one season without dumb Bracewell selections? Just one season?
sportychic33
State 12th Man
No, top score is 133 against South Africa
Flem274*
123/5
Really? Oops my mistake I'm obviously thinking of someone else then.
As for Oram, what do you gys think his career path should be? Should he keep being what he's doing now, try to improve the bowling but get injured more, or become a specialist batsman? Personally I think he should concentrate on his batting as his bowling is looking worrisome ATM.
sportychic33
State 12th Man
possibly give it one more season with the bowling, if that doesn't work he should carry on with his batting and improve that further and build consistency.
sportychic33
State 12th Man
By the way, Cairns' top score is 158, which may be why you thought of Oram scoring 160