oram

[sasnoz]

jacob oram is really crap hes just bbeen lucky with doctored wickets

[V Reddy]

I think Tuffey is the same too. I think both Oram and Tuffey are not the same outside NZ. In SAF there will not be much seam movement like there is in NZ. I think they will struggle in SAF.

[anzac]

well it doesn't say much for the Indian batsmen then does it?????

[anzac]

Originally posted by sasnoz
jacob oram is really crap hes just bbeen lucky with doctored wickets

I thought that truely doctored wickets were supposed to be those deliberately tailored to a certain type so as to give the Home team a distinct advantage, such as are served up to touring teams in some parts of the sub continent & Carribean. To my knowledge the final preparation for wickets have been adversley affected by the wet summer so far in NZ. Me thinks there is a big difference......

previous NZ wickets were low & slow & not bounce & seaming, so why would they try to produce this when their batsmen are equally not at home & also badly out of touch?????

The call has been for more Aussie type pitches over the last 18 months with more bounce & pace - not seam movement! This is in an effort to encourage the batsment into better shot making whilst still giving encouragement to the bowlers to work hard for their rewards - works for the Aussies so not a bad example to follow, it just takes time to get the mix right to achieve the results - the Jade pitch has probably come closest to my knowledge.

[sasnoz]

umm they doctored the wickets becos indians dont like seam movement and therve got **** bowlers so it shouldnt backfire

[anzac]

Originally posted by sasnoz
umm they doctored the wickets becos indians dont like seam movement and therve got **** bowlers so it shouldnt backfire

Nope - wrong again!!!!

you would only doctor a wicket if you knew that you could handle the result & had the right players in the team to do the job. If NZ had done so they would not have selected Vettori, and would have played an extra specialist seamer or two. It is also doubtful if both Styris & Oram would have played, and another specialist opener probably would have been brought in to deal with the anticipated extra movement off the seam!!!! So the team would have had up to 4 changes from the starting XI.

Think about it - if you are right & we know NZ did not make the above player changes, then what does that say about how little they must have regarded the so called Indian batting line-up, supposedly one of the best in the world?????

If the weather had been kind the pitches would have been faster & bouncier, with little seam movement - just like the Aussie model.
As it was the bounce that stuffed the Indians in the 2nd innings in the 1st Test (not seam movement!!!!!) then I suppose those would have been doctored wickets as well?????

[James]

Couldn't have said it better myself anzac - good post.

Sasnoz - if you want to stay on the forums clean up your posts please! :rolleyes:

[sasnoz]

cant i express my opinion[which is more than likely]

[marc71178]

There's nothing wrong in expressing opinions, but it can be done without expletive's.

We're lucky that this forum doesn't filter out all bad language, but that will soon change if people overuse it.

[Kiwi]

I really don't think the pitches have been too bad. The test pitches were green but the one day pitches so far have looked quite good batting wickets. Especially Jade Stadium yesterday. It will be very interesting to see how Queenstown plays this weekend, First ODI there but I'm sure there will be plenty of runs.

As for Oram and Tuffey, they are good bowlers. They are bowling great line and length and are getting wickets. The indian batsman aren't in good form but don't take the credit away from the bowlers.

[Kimbo]

the pitch at lancaster (i hate calling it jade) was fine. the indian batsmen are just playing crap. if the pitch was that bad then how ome astle hit 24 off an over?

[anzac]

as I said in the NZ v India thread, the fact that NZ got the runs inside 27 overs would indicate a 220+ pitch if you use the old model of doubling your 30 over score!!!!

[V Reddy]

Yep they are playing crap at the moment. They didn't perform well in the test matches and now all of them seem to have lost the form at the same time. I think the seam movement is doing them. And also Tuffey and Oram are bowling really straight and so they are getting tied up and playing loose strokes. All credit to them. But i think Tuffey and Oram will not be the same bowlers in SAF even against India as there will not be seam movement there.

[Eclipse]

Apart from an obviouse few I think its fair to say the Indian batsman are FLAT TRACK bullys thats why it always annoys me when Indian fans rant on about how good there batting is when they have the best batting wickets in the world right on there home soil not to mention the smallest grounds with means even more runs.

Glenn McGrath avrages over 40 on the sub contenent I mean come on!!

[Eclipse]

dont mind this post.