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    Law Query

    Okay - quite simple:

    1) Batsman edges ball
    2) Keeper makes hideous mess of attempting to catch it
    3) Ball hits keeper's helmet
    4) Keeper catches it

    Out?

    I gave it today but, soon after, remembered the bit of law that decreed that a ball cannot be a "fair catch" if it hits a fielder's protective helmet. I can't find any clarification as to whether that includes keepers or not.
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    Pretty sure it includes the keeper's helmet as well. There was a similar incident during the Pakistan vs West Indies match in Karachi last year, where Imran Farhat caught out Shiv (I think) at short leg after it seemed to have deflected off of his own helmet's visor. The decision went to the third umpire and he ruled that the ball had not hit the helmet.

    So even if the ball hits the helmet of the fielder who is attempting to catch it, the ball is considered dead.
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    Not Out though it takes a bit of piecing together,

    If the ball hits a fielders helmet then is is not out (though the ball is still in play) and the only difference regarding fielding the ball for a keeper is that they are allowed to field the ball with their gloves and pads.

    For the helmet, a keeper is given no special conditions.

    Laws 40 and 32 (IIRC) deal with the issues in hand
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    Yeah the ball is considred dead when it hit's the helmet thus should not be out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDominance View Post
    Yeah the ball is considred dead when it hit's the helmet thus should not be out.
    It isnt considered dead. Law 32.3.e

    It just isnt a fair catch

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    Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Law 32.3.e
    A fair catch if a fielder catches the ball after it has touched an umpire, another fielder or the other batsman. However, it is not a fair catch if the ball has touched a protective helmet worn by a fielder, although the ball remains in play.
    I guess the ball is only dead if it lodges into the helmet.

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    The ball is dead if it lodges in a protective helmet worn by a member of the fielding side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    It isnt considered dead. Law 32.3.e

    It just isnt a fair catch
    I was going on the basis I noticed an International Umpire(can't remember who) a few years ago calling it dead once it hit the helmet it was a game on the subcontinent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
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    What if the ball had gone up after hitting the short leg's pads (often worn under the trousers) ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    What if the ball had gone up after hitting the short leg's pads (often worn under the trousers) ??
    I'm guessing no-one would know. It would just look like it had hit his shin, and therefore would count as a catch.

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    Yeh if it hits his shin pads when he's at short leg it counts as a catch, i'm pretty sure i've seen it happen before.

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    I think the pads are considered part of the fielder/keeper's person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightprowler10 View Post
    I think the pads are considered part of the fielder/keeper's person.
    Yeah, actually, come to think of it, I've seen someone given out when the ball rested in the top of the keeper's pads before, so that must be the case. Either that, or the umpire was wrong in that particular case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
    Yeah, actually, come to think of it, I've seen someone given out when the ball rested in the top of the keeper's pads before, so that must be the case. Either that, or the umpire was wrong in that particular case.
    Always thought it would be declared as a dead ball if the ball did indeed become lodged in either the batsmans or wicket keepers pads.
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