Me on leg-spin

chris.hinton · 27-11-2002, 06:22 AM

As some of you are aware i am a Big leg-spin fan and i would love to see a World-class Legspinner in the England Squad

I will tell you why we should have one and why the coaches are killing them and are laughing in Jenner Face

In August every year they are 20 leg spinners who are Selected by Terry jenner one of them is my brother. They have a 3 day training course and are tested to the Limit whilst Learn more Tequines about Leg-spin, Jenner then picks 3 players to go to Australia,

3 counties are described as a "Dead County" as far as leg spin is. But they Kid was selected to go to Australia becasue of his sheer Ability but the Kid in Question is 20 and has been Released by one of the counties in question

He had taken 7/89 in a Second Xi match off 24 overs but becasue he cost about 4 runs an over he was DROPPED, they told him that becasue he consided 4 runs a over he did not do his job, not by the fact that he had taken 7 wickets

Coaches in this Country tell leg-spinners that you must Contain and be Defensive, leave the attacking to the fast bowlers

Ask yourself this what would you perfer to have

7-0-25-5
7-3-14-1

I would have 5 wickets all the time that half the team gone, battle half won. I think you would know what warne would have as well

Jenner is laughed at by Coaches telling him that he cannot coach and calling him al the names under the sun, but jenner is one of the saviour of English cricket is Counties are willing to listen and learn we could then have a world-class leg spinner produce

Marc71128 (Whatever) was saying that "we do not need a Leggie because of Conditions" well the Condcould change Warne gets loads of Wickets over here as do other leg-spinner in Club Cricket but Pitches could change to suit both Fast and Spin.

In 2007 E.C.B the rumour as it are willing to Central Contract 2 leggies even though they are playing Club Cricket. E.C.B want it so why not the Counties?

What i have seen at Jenner Acadamy are that 5-6 people have what it takes and out of 20 that is a good rate

Jenner says "Spin is in the Air not on the ground" and that is right, And the English Coaches will not Listen to him and that does show what English Cricket is all about , Crap and Egostatic English Coaches

Please ask some Questions?

Gotchya · 27-11-2002, 06:31 AM

I do agree that English players dont play spin in general very well, but set aside leg spinners, quality seamers are a rarity in England now (unfortunately). And I dont think that finger spin (which is the most rewarding) can DEVELOP in England. Sure it would be great if a good leg spinner makes his way to the top but it seems unlikely.

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Marc71128 (Whatever)

That wold make him....:ticking:....74 years old

Gotchya · 27-11-2002, 06:33 AM

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Jenner says "Spin is in the Air not on the ground"

???? But that spinning bowl is supposed to land on the ground right ? how is that an arguement ?

chris.hinton · 27-11-2002, 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya
I do agree that English players dont play spin in general very well, but set aside leg spinners, quality seamers are a rarity in England now (unfortunately). And I dont think that finger spin (which is the most rewarding) can DEVELOP in England. Sure it would be great if a good leg spinner makes his way to the top but it seems unlikely.

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Marc71128 (Whatever)

That wold make him....:ticking:....74 years old

The talent is there but it the coaches

chris.hinton · 27-11-2002, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya

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Jenner says "Spin is in the Air not on the ground"

???? But that spinning bowl is supposed to land on the ground right ? how is that an arguement ?

sorry about that, what i mean is that giving it Filght and not Flat Boring Leg spin/off spin

Rik · 27-11-2002, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya
I do agree that English players dont play spin in general very well, but set aside leg spinners, quality seamers are a rarity in England now (unfortunately). And I dont think that finger spin (which is the most rewarding) can DEVELOP in England. Sure it would be great if a good leg spinner makes his way to the top but it seems unlikely.

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Marc71128 (Whatever)

That wold make him....:ticking:....74 years old

Well I don't think its a lack of seamers, we have Martin Saggers, James Kirtley, Martin Bicknell, Kevin Dean, Kabir Ali, Paul Franks, etc. But the selectors never pick them...

Gotchya · 27-11-2002, 07:12 AM

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sorry about that, what i mean is that giving it Filght and not Flat Boring Leg spin/off spin

What you are intimating is that attacking spin is not encouraged. Spinners are usually used to tie in batsman and get in some quick overs. (and BTW mate you dont have to be sorry for what you say

its your own opinion and you can back it up)

As far as spinners go, the conditions in England (for the majority of the time) are soggy and wet. Consequently the pitches are not bouncy and dotn have a lot of life. They do seam around a lot though. These are not the conditions which an average leg spinner will enjoy. Maybe thats what forces them into a defensive mode of bowling ?

chris.hinton · 27-11-2002, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Gotchya

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sorry about that, what i mean is that giving it Filght and not Flat Boring Leg spin/off spin

What you are intimating is that attacking spin is not encouraged. Spinners are usually used to tie in batsman and get in some quick overs. (and BTW mat

e you dont have to be sorry for what you say

its your own opinion and you can back it up)

As far as spinners go, the conditions in England (for the majority of the time) are soggy and wet. Consequently the pitches are not bouncy and dotn have a lot of life. They do seam around a lot though. These are not the conditions which an average leg spinner will enjoy. Maybe thats what forces them into a defensive mode of bowling ?

Spinner should take Wickets not Contain

marc71178 · 27-11-2002, 08:23 AM

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Marc71128 (Whatever)

That wold make him....:ticking:....74 years old

Sometimes I feel it mate!

marc71178 · 27-11-2002, 08:25 AM

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Well I don't think its a lack of seamers, we have Martin Saggers, James Kirtley, Martin Bicknell, Kevin Dean, Kabir Ali, Paul Franks, etc. But the selectors never pick them...

He said quality seamers, but back to leg spin, thanks for letting us know why you think we should play a leg-spinner Chris, I still don't agree that we should at the moment because there just isn't one good enough, but if there were one good enough, he'd have to be an option...

marc71178 · 27-11-2002, 08:27 AM

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Spinner should take Wickets not Contain

All bowlers should do that, but due to the introduction of One Day Cricket, containment is a key factor.

Rik · 27-11-2002, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by marc71178

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Well I don't think its a lack of seamers, we have Martin Saggers, James Kirtley, Martin Bicknell, Kevin Dean, Kabir Ali, Paul Franks, etc. But the selectors never pick them...

He said quality seamers, but back to leg spin

In case you forgot they are all quality seamers...

Bazza · 27-11-2002, 11:50 AM

Martin Saggers - decent track record but I guess he was never gonna get picked while playing for Durham. He moved to Kent but is now 30 so if you're gonna try someone new he is too old.

James Kirtley - Always performed well in county cricket. Never saw much of him until he got into the England side last year. Looks good but is 27 already. Has played 7 ODIs but a suspect action didn't help and he hasn't done much in his 7 games to date.

Martin Bicknell - Possibly the most consistent performer in county circket. Always does the business. I have felt for years he should have been playing for England but at nearly 34 his chance has gone. As I understand it he failed to impress for England (unable to reproduce form and swing? Ala Dominic Cork of latter years I guess).When you consider he took 13 wickets in 7 ODIs at 26 that's not bad for a then sprightly 21/22 year old. Shame because he would have made an ideal first/second change bowler and #8 batsman for me.

Kevin Dean - Again good stats but is now 27 and is unlikely to gain international representation. I guess he was just too far back in the queue at the time.

Kabir Ali - a future England bowler for me. Looked good this summer. At 22 has time on his side and certainly should get a chance in ODIs within the next year or so assuming he maintains his recent form and works hard (especially at the academy where he could get a chance to impress).

Paul Franks - Hard to believe he's still only 23. Could get more chances as a result, bu for me lost his way after an impressive start as so many youngsters do. Consistency is the name of this game and he maybe needs to show a bit more. Could be a useful first change bowler and no 8 bat in ODIs but we'll see.

marc71178 · 27-11-2002, 12:53 PM

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In case you forgot they are all quality seamers...

What planet are you on? They're all good county pros - nothing more.

Rik · 27-11-2002, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by marc71178

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In case you forgot they are all quality seamers...

What planet are you on? They're all good county pros - nothing more.

But hardly ever have had the chance. How could you say Hoggard is better than them? Or Caddick? They all are similer. Caddick just doesn't have the temprement to be a Test bowler. Also why do I even bother trying? Every time even if I'm right or not you just disagree...:rolleyes:

27-11-2002, 06:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
chris.hinton International Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,324	Me on leg-spin As some of you are aware i am a Big leg-spin fan and i would love to see a World-class Legspinner in the England Squad I will tell you why we should have one and why the coaches are killing them and are laughing in Jenner Face In August every year they are 20 leg spinners who are Selected by Terry jenner one of them is my brother. They have a 3 day training course and are tested to the Limit whilst Learn more Tequines about Leg-spin, Jenner then picks 3 players to go to Australia, 3 counties are described as a "Dead County" as far as leg spin is. But they Kid was selected to go to Australia becasue of his sheer Ability but the Kid in Question is 20 and has been Released by one of the counties in question He had taken 7/89 in a Second Xi match off 24 overs but becasue he cost about 4 runs an over he was DROPPED, they told him that becasue he consided 4 runs a over he did not do his job, not by the fact that he had taken 7 wickets Coaches in this Country tell leg-spinners that you must Contain and be Defensive, leave the attacking to the fast bowlers Ask yourself this what would you perfer to have 7-0-25-5 7-3-14-1 I would have 5 wickets all the time that half the team gone, battle half won. I think you would know what warne would have as well Jenner is laughed at by Coaches telling him that he cannot coach and calling him al the names under the sun, but jenner is one of the saviour of English cricket is Counties are willing to listen and learn we could then have a world-class leg spinner produce Marc71128 (Whatever) was saying that "we do not need a Leggie because of Conditions" well the Condcould change Warne gets loads of Wickets over here as do other leg-spinner in Club Cricket but Pitches could change to suit both Fast and Spin. In 2007 E.C.B the rumour as it are willing to Central Contract 2 leggies even though they are playing Club Cricket. E.C.B want it so why not the Counties? What i have seen at Jenner Acadamy are that 5-6 people have what it takes and out of 20 that is a good rate Jenner says "Spin is in the Air not on the ground" and that is right, And the English Coaches will not Listen to him and that does show what English Cricket is all about , Crap and Egostatic English Coaches Please ask some Questions?

27-11-2002, 11:50 AM	#13 (permalink)
Bazza International 12th Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hants, England Posts: 1,710	Martin Saggers - decent track record but I guess he was never gonna get picked while playing for Durham. He moved to Kent but is now 30 so if you're gonna try someone new he is too old. James Kirtley - Always performed well in county cricket. Never saw much of him until he got into the England side last year. Looks good but is 27 already. Has played 7 ODIs but a suspect action didn't help and he hasn't done much in his 7 games to date. Martin Bicknell - Possibly the most consistent performer in county circket. Always does the business. I have felt for years he should have been playing for England but at nearly 34 his chance has gone. As I understand it he failed to impress for England (unable to reproduce form and swing? Ala Dominic Cork of latter years I guess).When you consider he took 13 wickets in 7 ODIs at 26 that's not bad for a then sprightly 21/22 year old. Shame because he would have made an ideal first/second change bowler and #8 batsman for me. Kevin Dean - Again good stats but is now 27 and is unlikely to gain international representation. I guess he was just too far back in the queue at the time. Kabir Ali - a future England bowler for me. Looked good this summer. At 22 has time on his side and certainly should get a chance in ODIs within the next year or so assuming he maintains his recent form and works hard (especially at the academy where he could get a chance to impress). Paul Franks - Hard to believe he's still only 23. Could get more chances as a result, bu for me lost his way after an impressive start as so many youngsters do. Consistency is the name of this game and he maybe needs to show a bit more. Could be a useful first change bowler and no 8 bat in ODIs but we'll see. __________________ My house is burned down but I can see the sky.

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