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Saqlain Mushtaq, The most under-rated ODI bowler ever?
- Thread starter rodzilla1010
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adharcric
International Coach
Here's why.
1) Saqlain had Wasim and Waqar ... Murali had Vaas
2) Murali's ER is phenomenal and that means a lot in ODIs
thierry henry
International Coach
Seriously though, Saqlain was a spinner of Murali/Warne stature in ODI cricket. It would take a LOT for either Murali or Warne to be PERMANENTLY dropped from the side, right? Like, an awful loss of form/ability over a prolonged period.
What I don't get is that, in most cases, a player of Saqlain/Murali/Warne stature would be given chance after chance after chance before people gave up on him. However, all the talk about him "losing it" just seems to be hearsay. He still has outstanding figures in ODI cricket and List A cricket. When exactly did he "lose it"? Where's the proof?
What I don't get is that, in most cases, a player of Saqlain/Murali/Warne stature would be given chance after chance after chance before people gave up on him. However, all the talk about him "losing it" just seems to be hearsay. He still has outstanding figures in ODI cricket and List A cricket. When exactly did he "lose it"? Where's the proof?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The Multan test. And his "teesra" being walloped as much as his "pehla" and "doosra".
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
I'm afraid you're not very familiar with the disgusting politics within the PCB. He was basically made to be a scapegoat after our WC '03 failures alongside a bunch of other players. He did get a chance in a test series against India in '04 but failed miserably picking up one wicket for 200+ runs. He probably deserved to get the axe at the time seeing as how Kaneria and Malik were better options for Pakistan in tests and ODIs respectively, but the way he was thrown into the reject bin after such a career was nothing short of disgraceful. In his last 20 ODIs, he averaged 32. Not horrendous by any means, IMO.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Well he was the first to master it in the age when everyone realised what it was. There's substantial evidence that Eripalli Prasanna bowled it too, just before the age when TV was a permanent companion of cricket.
Even now, Saqlain and Harbhajan are the only ones to have bowled the Doosra to any real effect at international level.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Errr....Murali?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
An extra 5 overs of field-restrictions is not much.
Especially when the restrictions are more relaxed on those 10 than they were in the 5 which were previously in existence.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Eh? You'd have to be crazy to compare Murali to Saqlain and Harbhajan. Murali is a completely different bowler to anyone who's ever played cricket. His stock-ball is something never bowled by anyone else, his Wrong-'Un is something never bowled by anyone else.
pup11
International Coach
I think Saqlain was rated very highly when he was at his peak, he was an extraordinary off-spinner who mesmerized batsmen all-over the world.
He was the first off-spinner to master the "dossra" and his bowling at the death was another revelation.
But his inability to adapt with the changing times in international cricket(and his injuries) were the reason why his career ended on such low.
He was the first off-spinner to master the "dossra" and his bowling at the death was another revelation.
But his inability to adapt with the changing times in international cricket(and his injuries) were the reason why his career ended on such low.
rodzilla1010
U19 Cricketer
Wow, double standard at play here....People are willing to compare shane warne to murli in ODI's but Saqi who has only 5 less wickets cant be compared to murli because of having a short career....
What about Garner, he only has 70 ODI wickets, there is a better chance of him getting lucky, even agarkar took his first 50 faster than anyone else.
What about Garner, he only has 70 ODI wickets, there is a better chance of him getting lucky, even agarkar took his first 50 faster than anyone else.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Garner played for over 10 years in ODI's, with 97 ODI's and 146 wickets.
rodzilla1010
U19 Cricketer
thanks for correcting but isnt 288 more than 146?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Yes, I had to get out my calculator, but I believe it is. So? No one is denying Saqlain is one of the finest ODI bowlers.
rodzilla1010
U19 Cricketer
Oh, i proved that in my intial post. What i am trying to prove is that he is certainly better than Warne and if not for a longer career better than Murli too, hence the best spinner ever in ODI's.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Not true, just the first in the age of widespread TV.
rodzilla1010
U19 Cricketer
Warne v.s Saqlian
is a case opened and closed
Saqlain was better by a mile
Murli well his longer career makes it difficult to compare, however using averages, puts Saqlain on top.
average-saq better
strike rate- saq better
5 wkt hauls/ match- saq better
4 wkt hauls/ match-saq better
Against aus- saqlain avgs 23..murli avgs 29
Against Ind-saqlain avgs 24..murli 28
Saqlain avgs 20 at home and 23 away
Murli avgs 22 at home and 25 away
Saqlain avgs 15 when Pak wins
Murli avgs 19 when SL wins