Gambhir or Jaffer???

[Nate]

Pretty sure Liam is just saying that neither of them are good options.

 

[Arjun]

At present, if not one of Sachin or Sehwag, the next best option has to be Gambhir. He's got a reasonably good ODI record, though that average isn't special, and he's got a century against one of the better ODI teams around. That should brush aside the competition for some time. His fielding and running between the wickets as well as the tendency to score quickly put him ahead of the competition once more. So it's Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir and the rest.

 

[Nishant]

I personally wanted to see Gambhir in the team. Considering the fact that he has done well lately. Howevr, the fact that Jaffer has done well in recent test matchs could mean that he may perform. After all, Gambhir, too, used to be a test player who broke into the ODI squad!

 

[Nishant]

so....should gambhir have been in the test squad? He scored a century against bangladesh lately (i know its only bangladesh...but hey...)Would you pick him ahead of jaffer or wud u have Gambhir & jaffer or drop both of them?

 

[Jono]

I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, those who play Tests should also play ODI's.

I don't buy this 'ODI Specialist' player crap. Very few (Bevan is an exception) people do fantastic in ODI's but badly in tests (and vice versa). Your test team are your most elite players, and they should be the ones playing.

There's so much wrong with that its ridiculous. So I guess Vaughan deserves to be in England's ODI team hey? Ajay Jadeja, one of India's best ODI players in the 90s should have played test cricket? Robin Singh too? What about Matthew Hoggard, should he be playing ODI cricket for England?

Anyway, clearly Gambhir should have been selected over Jaffer. That crap about SA wickets being more lively so Jaffer would handle it better was stupid considering we're talking about ODIs. Wasn't 434 successfully scored and then chased down in SA a few months ago?

Haha I thought this thread was new, read SS's post and was about to cut sick, and just saw I already had replied months ago.

Regarding to Nishant's question, Jaffer still deserves to be opening for India at test level. For now anyway.

 

[Nishant]

Haha I thought this thread was new, read SS's post and was about to cut sick, and just saw I already had replied months ago.

Regarding to Nishant's question, Jaffer still deserves to be opening for India at test level. For now anyway.

but at least u realised b4 u started giving SS stick for his post!

But...yh...Jaffer deserves to stay in the test team...he hasnt done anything to deserve being dropped. But i would like to see both gambhir and jaffer in the team....both are the future and Gambhir isnt a bad player. i'd rather we had him rather than ganguly/ Tendulkar TBH. We'll have to see how each player performs....

 

[Richard]

Haha I thought this thread was new, read SS's post and was about to cut sick, and just saw I already had replied months ago.

Me too... without the reply, of course...

 

[adharcric]

Jaffer and Gambhir should both make the trip to England, easily. Sehwag may just get manhandled by Hoggard yet again.

 

[silentstriker]

Well six months from then, I've changed my views. You could have ODI specialists, and should. In fact, all eleven should be ODI specialists.

 

[pup11]

I think Sehwag no longer deserves a place in the Indian team, he has already had way too many chances and he has failed to deliver.

So i would have Gambhir and Jaffer as Indian openers for the tour of England.

 

[chaminda_00]

I would have Gambhir and Jaffer at the top of the order and have Sehwag in the middle order, his too good a batsmen to drop.

 

[Nishant]

Well six months from then, I've changed my views. You could have ODI specialists, and should. In fact, all eleven should be ODI specialists.

does that mean you are accepting ODI cricket as a form of cricket?

 

[Nishant]

I would have Gambhir and Jaffer at the top of the order and have Sehwag in the middle order, his too good a batsmen to drop.

i actually dont think he is that good TBH...when sehwag is out there in the middle (during the WC and now against bangladesh), he has looked good...but then he gets out due to a poor shot and thats the end of it...im sure if its worth keeping sehwag...i think we need to try other batsmen TBH

 

[chaminda_00]

i actually dont think he is that good TBH...when sehwag is out there in the middle (during the WC and now against bangladesh), he has looked good...but then he gets out due to a poor shot and thats the end of it...im sure if its worth keeping sehwag...i think we need to try other batsmen TBH

Remind what is his career record again?

Thats the way he bats, he goes for his shots, doesn't mean his a bad batsmen. Throughout his career more often then not its worked. He's just out of form, doesn't deserve to get dropped all together.

 

[Nishant]

Remind what is his career record again?

Thats the way he bats, he goes for his shots, doesn't mean his a bad batsmen. Throughout his career more often then not its worked. He's just out of form, doesn't deserve to get dropped all together.

he's been out of form for abt 2 yrs and only does well against Pakistan...u cant keep him on that basis

 

[chaminda_00]

he's been out of form for abt 2 yrs and only does well against Pakistan...u cant keep him on that basis

I presume we are talking Test here, considering the reference to Hoggard during this thread. His only played one test this year, so if your talking last two years we have to be talking 2005 and 2006. 2006 his scored 791 runs @ 39.55, not the greatest record but better then a lot of players career records. Its only 10 runs (average wise) off his career record, not enough of a drop to say his out of form. He did score most his runs against Pakistan, but he also scored 357 runs @ 51 against the West Indies. Not the best attack, but really there not that far off a lot attacks around the world. You can only score runs against the bowlers infront of you. Yeah he had bad series against England and South Africa, but it does warrant getting dropped. In 2005 he scored 785 runs @ 60.38. His basically had three bad series in the last five in Tests, not enough to warrant getting dropped.

I really hate it when people just remember a player current form, maybe one or two series and forgot what they have done throughout their careers.

 

[Nishant]

I presume we are talking Test here, considering the reference to Hoggard during this thread. His only played one test this year, so if your talking last two years we have to be talking 2005 and 2006. 2006 his scored 791 runs @ 39.55, not the greatest record but better then a lot of players career records. Its only 10 runs (average wise) off his career record, not enough of a drop to say his out of form. He did score most his runs against Pakistan, but he also scored 357 runs @ 51 against the West Indies. Not the best attack, but really there not that far off a lot attacks around the world. You can only score runs against the bowlers infront of you. Yeah he had bad series against England and South Africa, but it does warrant getting dropped. In 2005 he scored 785 runs @ 60.38. His basically had three bad series in the last five in Tests, not enough to warrant getting dropped.

I really hate it when people just remember a player current form, maybe one or two series and forgot what they have done throughout their careers.

i agree that sehwag is a much better test player than one day player and so i was quite shocked to see him kept in the one day set up but excluded from the test set up. I think that keeeping him in tests may not be as bad...but sehwag has not done anything in ODIs to warrant a place, TBH...he's been way out of form and does not score big totals.

As for the stats u provided...it is important to notice that sehwag is very inconsistent. He comes up with a string of low scores (below 10 or 20 runs) and then ges a random big one, which boosts his average. I'd rather he scored 30-50 runs in every inning instead of being as inconsistent as he is.

 

[Richard]

Jaffer and Gambhir should both make the trip to England, easily. Sehwag may just get manhandled by Hoggard yet again.

Like he did at Trent Bridge in 2002?

 

[R_D]

I presume we are talking Test here, considering the reference to Hoggard during this thread. His only played one test this year, so if your talking last two years we have to be talking 2005 and 2006. 2006 his scored 791 runs @ 39.55, not the greatest record but better then a lot of players career records. Its only 10 runs (average wise) off his career record, not enough of a drop to say his out of form. He did score most his runs against Pakistan, but he also scored 357 runs @ 51 against the West Indies. Not the best attack, but really there not that far off a lot attacks around the world. You can only score runs against the bowlers infront of you. Yeah he had bad series against England and South Africa, but it does warrant getting dropped. In 2005 he scored 785 runs @ 60.38. His basically had three bad series in the last five in Tests, not enough to warrant getting dropped.

I really hate it when people just remember a player current form, maybe one or two series and forgot what they have done throughout their careers.

Those stats are pretty misleading really.... i can't be arsed doing the research but just off the top of my head.... He scored 200 odd in 1 innings against Pak on the most flattest pitch ever, otherwise his stats don't look as good. He's been out of sorts for for 2 years now and funny thing is he doesn't seem to be improving his batting. He keeps on going out the same way each time. You'd think he'd work on that but no. He's a good batsman but just needs to go back to domestic and find his form again. Its not fair on other domestic performers to have Sehwag in the team in hope that he'll hit his stride sooner or later.
Sehwag should be nowhere near either ODI or test team unless he can show that he's improved and stop going out stupid ways and that one delivery that nips back.

 

[chaminda_00]

Those stats are pretty misleading really.... i can't be arsed doing the research but just off the top of my head.... He scored 200 odd in 1 innings against Pak on the most flattest pitch ever, otherwise his stats don't look as good. He's been out of sorts for for 2 years now and funny thing is he doesn't seem to be improving his batting.

As for the stats u provided...it is important to notice that sehwag is very inconsistent. He comes up with a string of low scores (below 10 or 20 runs) and then ges a random big one, which boosts his average. I'd rather he scored 30-50 runs in every inning instead of being as inconsistent as he is.

You guys make it sound bad that player goes on from his starts and makes a big score. Isn't that what a batsmen meant to?

Nishant you say you rather a batsmen score 30-50 then get 10-20, thats fair enough. But what Sehwag does what most good batsmen do is once they get past the 20s they go on make a big score. If your picking a batsmen your always going to pick someone who capable of scoring big scores over someone that gets starts (20-30) and doesn't do on. Most batsmen when not in their best form are going to score a string of 10-20s, but the better batsmen in the world when the get a start go on and score a big hundred, even when out of form. Thats what Sehwag done in the last couple years.

RD you say Sehwag hasn't improved over the last two years, maybe its more of case of bowlers working out better plans against him early on. Most batsmen have this stage in their career where bowlers find more ways to get them out early. But batsmen like Sehwag who have averaged more then 50 for most of their career generally finds ways to over come that.

And don't get me started on the whole, if you take out his best innings his average does down. Well in terms of ODIs i couldn't give a toss TBH.