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***Official*** India in West Indies

Mr Mxyzptlk

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garage flower said:
Gayle
Ganga (Capt...stranger things have happened and he's clearly a captaincy candidate)
Lara
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin
Mohammed
Edwards
Collymore
Collins
The Trinidad Guardian printed yesterday that a source close to the WICB says that Sarwan will be the new West Indies captain.
garage flower said:
The Prophet is the leading domestic wicket taker and starred in Trinidad & Tobago's final win over Barbados so must have a great chance depending on the first test venue/wicket. Morton would be very unlucky to miss out, but Lara/Sars/Shiv will play if available so I assume he'll only play if the selectors go with just 4 bowlers, in which case Mohammed will probably make way with Gayle providing a useful spin option.
I don't see much benefit in picking a specialist spinner against players of the calibre of India. If they're going to collapse against a spinner, it'll probably be against a mediocre wannabe-spinner (like Udal *hides* or Gayle). I'd like to see Collins, Collymore, Edwards, and preferably another quickish bowler (not Best). I don't see any other worthy quickish bowler though (except maybe Powell and Richardson), so Mohammed may be the go.
Of the fringe contenders, Sylvester Joseph may have edged ahead of Marlon Samuels in the middle order batting queue and Chattergoon may be vying with Devon Smith for an opener's berth should Ganga - unthinkably! - fail. Ryan Hinds may also be in the frame after a solid season and I wouldn't rule out Dwayne Smith (as much as I'd like to because he's rubbish).
I think Samuels is still a fair way in front of Joseph. Both did well in the 'A' series, and I consider Samuels a better batsman. He's also the most recently incumbent, so I'd pick him to be recalled before Joseph. Chattergoon may get a chance in ODIs before Tests. Ryan Hinds surely will feature at some point this home season.
Less depth in the bowling where the likes of Lawson and Best seem to be going backwards for varying reasons. Bradshaw is a contender after an impressive 1st test in NZ, Richard Kelly should at least make the 1-dayers and Jamaica's Andrew Richardson was named most promising young bowler of the season, but I think it's crucial that the selections listed above are fit and firing.
Lawson seems to have become a spin bowler. No pace and doing nothing with the ball. Just a year ago he was bowling really well against Sri Lanka and now he's totally lost it. Best isn't fit at the moment, but he hasn't done anything with the ball in ages anyway, so I don't see him as an option. That said, I can easily see him coming in and taking some Indian wickets purely due to his pace and aggression.

Andrew Richardson is quite impressive. It's a shame that the likes of Dwight Washington got a chance before he did. That said, it's only this season that Richardson has truly stepped his game up to a higher level.
 

adharcric

International Coach
garage flower said:
Gayle
Ganga (Capt...stranger things have happened and he's clearly a captaincy candidate)
Lara
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin
Mohammed
Edwards
Collymore
Collins
Runako Morton should probably be in there, he really seems like the type of player who can provide some resistance when the stars topple. That means either Bravo should be left out (if he can't bowl ... he isn't a clear-cut selection as a pure-batsman) or Mohammed should be left out (or whoever the specialist spinner is ... Gayle can do the job in that case).

Gayle
Ganga/Morton
Lara
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Ganga/Morton
Bravo (or the specialist spinner, in which case Ramdin comes here)
Ramdin
Edwards
Collymore
Collins
 

TT Boy

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DanielFullard said:
Well I have looked at that and it says nothing about the test matches!:laugh: Hence why I asked
Because they kick of in June, BSkyB secured the rights to all of India's test series until 2009 or something like that.
 

TT Boy

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adharcric said:
Runako Morton should probably be in there, he really seems like the type of player who can provide some resistance when the stars topple. That means either Bravo should be left out (if he can't bowl ... he isn't a clear-cut selection as a pure-batsman) or Mohammed should be left out (or whoever the specialist spinner is ... Gayle can do the job in that case).

Gayle
Ganga/Morton
Lara
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Ganga/Morton
Bravo (or the specialist spinner, in which case Ramdin comes here)
Ramdin
Edwards
Collymore
Collins
No way Morton should be out, one of the shinning lights in New Zealand but I would not give the guy the opening birth, have him at either four or five.
 

adharcric

International Coach
TT Boy said:
No way Morton should be out, one of the shinning lights in New Zealand but I would not give the guy the opening birth, have him at either four or five.
Well I doubt they'll tinker with the Lara-Sarwan-Chanderpaul trio in the middle, so I guess he's best suited at #6.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Arjun said:
One-dayer misfit– Venugopal Rao is one more on the list with Jacob Martin, Hemag Badani, Dinesh Mongia, SS Das, Sadagopan Ramesh and several other one-day misfits to make the Indian ODI side. We saw how he ate up so many deliveries in A.D. and ran so few singles. We've also seen him struggle against quality bowling attacks. Even though he got a 63*, his innings was screaming "Bring back Kaif!"
Please show a little patience and appreciate the fact that Venu at least stood out and offered some resistance for 63 valuable runs. He clearly looks more suited to the test format than the one-day format, but don't write him off so soon. He outperformed everyone in the Challenger Series last year, racking up multiple tons. As for his struggles against quality bowling attacks, you must be referring to the meltdown versus Shane Bond at the start of the season. Well, didn't our ENTIRE batting lineup get brutalized there, especially Ganguly? A player with a few matches under his belt was promoted to the top of the order against Bond, who in my opinion is the most lethal genuine pacemen in the world at his best (on par with Lee I guess, both swing the ball and aim at the stumps, as opposed to Akhtar who just goes wild with bouncers). He may well turn out to be a one-day misfit, but he could just as well turn out to be an integral part of our future test lineup. By the way, remember Suresh Raina's gritty 24 from 62 in the first ODI against England when the English bowlers kept it tight? Surely, Raina is one of the best at rotating the strike in this lineup, but even he struggled there. Just proves that you can't judge a new player so quickly, especially a talented one like Venugopal Rao.

Arjun said:
Strike seamers– Irfan Pathan may be bowling slower these days, but he varies his pace a great deal. We see deliveries from 113 to 136 k's in ODI's, and more importantly, they get the job done. What the team needs is someone bowling fast at the other end. Sreesanth isn't very fast, but he's very aggressive and bowls a good outswinger. Munaf Patel seems a misfit in ODI's, but once he's in top form, he can be a factor. But what do the selectors see in Agarkar that makes them go back to him again? That casino-royale medium-pace has often let the team down in key moments, especially in finals. Not surprisingly, the Indian team has rarely won a tournament where he was the strike bowler, and frankly, his bowling is no factor.
Pathan can't use that "variations" excuse in test cricket because he's not bowling accurately and rarely ever touching 80 mph these days in tests, as opposed to ODIs where he still goes in the low 80s and picks up wickets consistently with his good line and length and lethal swing. He is being bashed too much on the pace issue though, McGrath and Asif don't have much pace either so if Pathan can show some consistency in tests, hopefully that will end the fan abuse. IMO, he's just about proven himself to be a world-class ODI bowler.

Arjun said:
Finders keepers– Dhoni's freakish batting may not please fans of Rahul Dravid, but it works, and how. Averaging over 50, with a very healthy strike rate, his batting has not only been far superior to every other wicketkeeper who has played for India, but has also been more effective than most other specialist batsmen. His attack power is a factor, and should be used to good effect, so Sehwag can breathe easy. Even Irfan Pathan (especially him), Munaf Patel and Ramesh Powar can be used as strikers to complement the slow-goers in the side, when needed.
Actually, Dhoni is not a "freak" in the negative sense as Afridi (and at times Pietersen) is. He can play a composed innings as well. Just because he is innovative and powerful doesn't mean he should be criticized for his unconventional strokeplay. He has shown on numerous occasions that he has a wide range of strike rates: 75 if you're in trouble, 100 if he's promoted up the order, and 500 if you need him to slog at the death. :) That shot at Mumbai is the one blotch on his career thus far and I'm confident he'll try to make us forget about it soon ... not with "freak"-batting but with the composed innings he is quite capable of. As for Munaf, he's yet to show that he can contribute with the bat but I hope he proves you right and pleases my eyes soon enough. I'd prefer he get some wickets first.

Arjun said:
Two off the block– "Two off-spinners? That's a predictable attack!" But looking at the duo of Harbhajan and Powar, it works! Both are of different styles, and if one has an off-day, the other works. Powar may not appear a genuine strike bowler, but for someone picked to bowl more than the batsmen, he's bowling like a striker. His batting at eight makes him a key selection in the playing XI. One of the few very good moves the selectors have made so far.
Although they are both off-spinners, they are indeed very different. Bhajji fires it in and can trick the batsmen with the doosra or turn it big. Powar is the conventional offie, flighting it with no pace whatsoever and often beating the anxious batsman in flight. Imagine Kumble and Warne bowling in tandem: both are "leg-break" bowlers, but if you make the mistake of expecting the same stuff from them, kiss your wickets goodbye.
 
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adharcric said:
Runako Morton should probably be in there, he really seems like the type of player who can provide some resistance when the stars topple. That means either Bravo should be left out (if he can't bowl ... he isn't a clear-cut selection as a pure-batsman) or Mohammed should be left out (or whoever the specialist spinner is ... Gayle can do the job in that case).
I think Morton is too stiff against spin bowling. Bravo isn't the best player of spin, but he's greatly improved. I think he's better at it than Morton. Both are very brave and have a lot of heart, but I think King is quite fond of the general energy that Bravo brings the West Indies team.

It's an interesting choice really.
 

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TT Boy said:
No way Morton should be out, one of the shinning lights in New Zealand but I would not give the guy the opening birth, have him at either four or five.
There's no way Morton plays at 3 ahead of Sarwan or at 4 ahead of Lara. At best he would bat at 5, ahead of Chanderpaul, but even that is unlikely I think. Chanderpaul has owned India over the course of his career.
 

marc71178

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
I don't see much benefit in picking a specialist spinner against players of the calibre of India. If they're going to collapse against a spinner, it'll probably be against a mediocre wannabe-spinner
So Dave has to play then? ;)
 

marc71178

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I was only jesting.

All AAAS members have Dave in their thoughts (along with Rikki) as players with the potential to take over the role in years to come when AA tires of being so good and goes into Bollywood or something.
 

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marc71178 said:
I was only jesting.

All AAAS members have Dave in their thoughts (along with Rikki) as players with the potential to take over the role in years to come when AA tires of being so good and goes into Bollywood or something.
AA wishes he was half the spinner Dave Mohammed is. Rikki Clarke? Pssht.
 

adharcric

International Coach
marc71178 said:
I was only jesting.

All AAAS members have Dave in their thoughts (along with Rikki) as players with the potential to take over the role in years to come when AA tires of being so good and goes into Bollywood or something.
I tell you, he'll give Sharukh Khan a run for the money ... and hurt a few viewers' eyes along the way. Anyways, I'll take that over his permanent presence in Team India.
 

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adharcric said:
I tell you, he'll give Sharukh Khan a run for the money ... and hurt a few viewers' eyes along the way. Anyways, I'll take that over his permanent presence in Team India.
Why would you watch a Sharukh Khan movie anyway? :unsure:
 

adharcric

International Coach
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Why would you watch a Sharukh Khan movie anyway? :unsure:
a) with hope that he turns in a good performance for once
b) dont have a choice but to watch
c) he's been rather impressive lately, doing some meaningful roles for a change

In fact, all three of those apply to "Why would you watch an Ajit Agarkar-involved match anyway? :unsure:"
 

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adharcric said:
a) with hope that he turns in a good performance for once
b) dont have a choice but to watch
c) he's been rather impressive lately, doing some meaningful roles for a change

In fact, all three of those apply to "Why would you watch an Ajit Agarkar-involved match anyway? :unsure:"
Whoa. Deep. :-O
 

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