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    Twenty20 Burnout?

    Paul Marsh, the Australian Cricketers' Association chief executive talks about the burnout that an international Twenty20 championship.

    http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/austr...ry/240023.html

    I mean would Twenty20 games really cause burnout? I mean because it's such a shorter form of the game wouldn't countries be willing to rest top-players? And if it replaced the Champions Trophy wouldn't that actaully mean less burnout?

    And to be fair Pakistan and India don't like the idea mainly because of the big deals they have with TV networks for the ODIs.

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    Phtt...they are professionals, they should be able to handle a few 2020 games and i don't care what anyone says about increasing workloads.

    Tbh, i think he might have been implying burnout of the 20-20 concept as a whole, not the state of the players.

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    I think there are far more worrying things that a Twenty20 World Championship would do than contribute to international player burn-out.
    As I've said before, it has nothing - absolutely nothing - to offer international cricket, the gates are huge for ODIs in almost all countries, if you need more revenue (and it ain't like anyone does) just schedule more ODIs.
    However, regular internationals quite possibly might damage the impact it has at the domestic level, which would be a huge shame because at first it seemed, if managed properly (though was anyone seriously imagining that?), that it might be able to bring in some decent money to the domestic game over the next 10 years, in several countries.
    Of course, it's obvious why ICC want a World Championship - that's the only way to get their hands on some of the profits. Otherwise if it's just the odd game here and there, all the profits go to the National Boards.
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    Yes it can cause burnout, you still have a long journey, and all the pre match training and preparation.. And the whole concept could be burnt out as well if it takes over..
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    Yes - burnout for the format, rather than for the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Yes - burnout for the format, rather than for the players.
    Agree, also when you consider that teams are now picking 20/20 specialists to play in these games. Players like Neil McKenzie and Loots Bosman will never grace the Test or ODI arena again/never were selected because there were viewed primarily as a 20/20 specialist, will these boys suffer burnout, of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    Agree, also when you consider that teams are now picking 20/20 specialists to play in these games. Players like Neil McKenzie and Loots Bosman will never grace the Test or ODI arena again/never were selected because there were viewed primarily as a 20/20 specialist, will these boys suffer burnout, of course not.
    Neil McKenzie?

    Surely he is not a Pro20 specialist? Mind you I havent exactly been following the Pro20 competition..

    Does this mean a new sub-generation of mediocre international players who cant cut the mustard in the other two formats? I see Darren Maddy coming back before long

    Nice, so we have that to think about as well as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh

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    I've always been hugely disappointed McKenzie hasn't made it in Tests or ODIs (indeed I've long felt he's often got a harsh deal in ODIs, even if his average against ODI-standard teams isn't as good as his average against all teams defined by ICC as ODI-playing).
    I hope he might yet get another chance, he's only, what, 28-29 IIRR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Neil McKenzie?

    Surely he is not a Pro20 specialist? Mind you I havent exactly been following the Pro20 competition..
    Averaged over 50 with the bat and had a strike rate better than a run a ball this season (127). Not bad for a player who was know for being a no frills middle order player.

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    As I suggested in the past, couldn't they look at making it similar to the Rugby Sevens tournament (non-international players)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I've always been hugely disappointed McKenzie hasn't made it in Tests or ODIs (indeed I've long felt he's often got a harsh deal in ODIs, even if his average against ODI-standard teams isn't as good as his average against all teams defined by ICC as ODI-playing).
    I hope he might yet get another chance, he's only, what, 28-29 IIRR?

    His 30 and I agree Richard, McKenzie should get another chance in both forms of the game. The guy offers something to South Africa which with Kallis not in the team there miss, a middle order player who can hold an innings together and not get bog down like Prince or Rudolph or get out because there are technically not good enough aka Justin Kemp.

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    I prefer McKenzie to Prince but I don't know about Rudolph - in the one-day game, I've always liked Rudolph.
    If we had something like...
    Smith
    Gibbs\De Villiers
    Kallis
    McKenzie
    Rudolph
    Dippenaar
    Kemp
    Boucher
    Pollock
    Ntini
    Nel
    4 front-line bowlers with Kemp and, if neccessary, Smith to fill-in.
    That's about the best combination I can think of ATM, but if Steyn, Zondeki, Kruger, etc. are really the strongest back-up available (with Terbrugge and Willoughby not even in their Franchise teams at present, it seems they are) we have severe worries about any injuries to the front-line bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I prefer McKenzie to Prince but I don't know about Rudolph - in the one-day game, I've always liked Rudolph.
    If we had something like...
    Smith
    Gibbs\De Villiers
    Kallis
    McKenzie
    Rudolph
    Dippenaar
    Kemp
    Boucher
    Pollock
    Ntini
    Nel
    4 front-line bowlers with Kemp and, if neccessary, Smith to fill-in.
    That's about the best combination I can think of ATM, but if Steyn, Zondeki, Kruger, etc. are really the strongest back-up available (with Terbrugge and Willoughby not even in their Franchise teams at present, it seems they are) we have severe worries about any injuries to the front-line bowlers.
    Surely van der Wath would get a look in there as a fifth bowler who can smack it a bit? I mean he averaged 15 with the bat and 32 with the ball in the VB series but was most importantly the third highest wicket-taker (abeit in a team lacking a real strike bowler).

    And what about Roger Telemachus? I would put him in ahead of people like steyn and zondeki

    Surely a 20/20 championship every two years which lasts for a week, two weeks at the extreme isn't going to start driving the crowds away from ODIs and cause the concept to burn-out?

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    Van der Wath bowled a heap of crap. I don't know what on Earth it was people saw in him. Nothing close to as good as Terbrugge, Willoughby and Langeveldt IMO.
    As for Telemachus - been out of the picture for 4 years, and the most recent game showed why. Never rated him, really, and I don't think a lot has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Neil McKenzie?

    Surely he is not a Pro20 specialist? Mind you I havent exactly been following the Pro20 competition..

    Does this mean a new sub-generation of mediocre international players who cant cut the mustard in the other two formats? I see Darren Maddy coming back before long

    Nice, so we have that to think about as well as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh
    jerermy snape will probs pip him to it if you ask me.

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