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Old 19-04-2005, 07:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hmmm.... Didn't I already say I was wrong to state bias?
You said 'maybe you jumped the gun' (paraphrasing). It's a little bit different and I think I can allow you the benefit of the doubt on this occasion.



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I wouldnt rate boucher that high...simply because he is a terrible keeper against spin.Gilly-Sangy is pretty much indisputable....
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Old 19-04-2005, 07:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I wouldnt rate boucher that high...simply because he is a terrible keeper against spin.Gilly-Sangy is pretty much indisputable....

I don't rate sangakarra's keeping highly, i think he is a good batsman but thats it.
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Old 19-04-2005, 08:37 PM   #33 (permalink)
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1. Adam Gilchrist
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Old 19-04-2005, 08:39 PM   #34 (permalink)
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As wicket keepers, Khaled Masud, Boucher and Tatenda Taibu are good.
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Old 19-04-2005, 09:01 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Boucher is nowhere near as good as he once was.
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Old 19-04-2005, 09:02 PM   #36 (permalink)
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gilchrist
sangakarra
mccullum
boucher
akmal
jones
taibu
browne
karthik
mashud

that's giving boucher a fair bit of leeway on the basis of past performances. and mccullum on potential. i found it really hard to separate 3-5.
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Old 19-04-2005, 09:32 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Gilchrist
Sangakkara
Boucher
McCullum
Taibu
Akmal
Karthik
Browne
Mashud
Jones

For me, the top two are a cut above the rest, followed by the next three and then the last five all more or less even.

In terms of pure keeping, Gilchrist and Taibu are the best in my view, but as Taibu has never had to keep against quality spin it is hard to call him the best glovesman in the world. Boucher is quality, and Sangakkara is an excellent partner for Murali and I've been really impressed with what I've seen from him recently. Akmal is the best of the rest and certainly looks the good for the future. McCullum is a solid wicket keeper, as is Karthik. From what little I've seen of Mashud he's a very good keeper indeed, but not a particularly good batsman. Browne is a decent keeper and a below average batsman, and Jones is a terrible keeper and a good batsman.

In terms of batting, Gilchrist is a mile ahead, Sangakkara second. These two are batsmen in a true sense. After those two, there's McCullum, Taibu, Jones and Boucher about equal next, who are all very good batsmen who nevertheless with Taibu's exception because of the weakness of his side could not play as batsmen alond. Then there is Akmal and Karthick who have a good innings or two each so far and talent, but aren't proven as batsmen, and then Mashud and Browne a fair way back who are a touch better than your average tail ender.
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Old 19-04-2005, 09:37 PM   #38 (permalink)
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a year ago, i would've rated Ridley Jacobs and Rashid Latif as the clearcut #3 and #4.
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Old 19-04-2005, 10:44 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Gilchrist
Sangakkara
Boucher
McCullum
Taibu
Akmal
Karthik
Browne
Mashud
Jones

For me, the top two are a cut above the rest, followed by the next three and then the last five all more or less even.

In terms of pure keeping, Gilchrist and Taibu are the best in my view, but as Taibu has never had to keep against quality spin it is hard to call him the best glovesman in the world. Boucher is quality, and Sangakkara is an excellent partner for Murali and I've been really impressed with what I've seen from him recently. Akmal is the best of the rest and certainly looks the good for the future. McCullum is a solid wicket keeper, as is Karthik. From what little I've seen of Mashud he's a very good keeper indeed, but not a particularly good batsman. Browne is a decent keeper and a below average batsman, and Jones is a terrible keeper and a good batsman.

In terms of batting, Gilchrist is a mile ahead, Sangakkara second. These two are batsmen in a true sense. After those two, there's McCullum, Taibu, Jones and Boucher about equal next, who are all very good batsmen who nevertheless with Taibu's exception because of the weakness of his side could not play as batsmen alond. Then there is Akmal and Karthick who have a good innings or two each so far and talent, but aren't proven as batsmen, and then Mashud and Browne a fair way back who are a touch better than your average tail ender.
Are you talking about batting or wicket keeping or both?

If your referring to keeping I totally disagree that Sangakkara is clearly 2nd best keeper. Definately 2nd best batsman but after watching the 2 tests again NZ, I thought sangakkara was a big disappointment behind the stumps. Before that series I would have agreed he was 2nd best. But now I think both Mccullum and Boucher are technically better keepers (batting aside)
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Are you talking about batting or wicket keeping or both?

If your referring to keeping I totally disagree that Sangakkara is clearly 2nd best keeper. Definately 2nd best batsman but after watching the 2 tests again NZ, I thought sangakkara was a big disappointment behind the stumps. Before that series I would have agreed he was 2nd best. But now I think both Mccullum and Boucher are technically better keepers (batting aside)
The list was both, then I elaborated on each.

To make it simpler:

Overall
Gilchrist
Sangakkara
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Boucher
McCullum
Taibu
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Akmal
Karthik
Browne
Mashud
Jones

Keeping
Gilchrist
Taibu
Boucher
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McCullum
Sangakkara
Akmal
Mashud
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Karthik
Browne
Jones

Batting
Gilchrist
Sangakkara
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Boucher
McCullum
Jones
Taibu
---------
Akmal
Karthik
---------
Browne
Mashud
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Old 19-04-2005, 11:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Gilchrist (easily the best batsman and keeper for mine)
Sangakkara (his batting gets him up)
McCullum (keeping-wise I think Boucher and him are equal)
Boucher (batting-wise, a little worse than McCullum)
Taibu (very, very good keeper, decent bat)
Mashud (very, very, very good keeper. Impressed me when he went to Australia, and has impressed me since)
Jones (solid batting, rather poor keeping)
Akmal (does some special things, stuffs up some easier ones)
Karthik (good batting, rather average keeping)
Browne (poor Browne!)
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Old 20-04-2005, 12:38 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Boucher is NOT a better keeper than McCallum, Mashud, Akmal or Karthik.....
Boucher used to be excellent against pace and shyte against spin...now he is good against pace and shyte against spin.
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Old 20-04-2005, 01:16 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Smacks bias.
Indeed.

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Old 20-04-2005, 01:40 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Boucher is NOT a better keeper than McCallum, Mashud, Akmal or Karthik.....
Boucher used to be excellent against pace and shyte against spin...now he is good against pace and shyte against spin.
Yeah, but all these rankings take batting into account.
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Overall
- Gilchrist
- Sangakkara
- McCullum
- Akmal
- Boucher
- Jones
- Taibu
- Karthik
- Mashud
- Browne

Keeping
- Akmal
- Gilchrist
- Boucher
- Taibu
- Mashud
- Karthik
- Sangakkara
- Browne
- Jones

Batting
- Gilchrist
- Sangakkara
- McCullum
- Jones
- Akmal
- Boucher
- Karthik
- Taibu
- Browne
- Mashud

That roughy would my WK ratings
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