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    Quote Originally Posted by psxpro
    I don't know yet if vincent is a odi player, he is capable though, he can run quickly and has shown when in form he can hit big too.
    I think him james marshall and craig mcmillan may be competiting for a spot.
    I just think back to that ODI v IND at Jade when Bond let rip................from memory Vincent was at the other end & came in at #5 & got 50 n.o. - IMO it was the best ODI innings I've seen him play...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS
    Franklin definately does have the ability to bat number 8, but why bat him there when you have McCullum, Vettori and Oram 7-9? Who bats 10 out of that lot?
    Franklin and Vettori can swap places in every innings. Moreover, you have batting all the way down to 9, giving you the option of a genuine wicketkeeper at 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    The kind of form Fulton's in, he may be picked for the bench, but Styris shouldn't play as a batsman, but as a full-fledged all-rounder, since he is more useful to the team that way. Besides, his batting hasn't been that good of late. Oram may be used as a striker at 7, then Vettori, then a genuine wicketkeeper (not another part-timer), then two bowlers. You then have batting till number 8.
    Cumming, J Marshall, H Marshall, Fleming, Astle / Styris, Vincent, Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Franklin, Bond = FC tons all the way thru' from #1 - #12!!!!!!

    except when you include C Martin.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    Not bad, but on one post on the Official Aus v/s NZ thread, I heard they would be out of action for more than one series. Is the NZ side taking a break? I'd like to know how Styris is doing for his county side.He may be good for the bench, as a reserve middle-order batsman. Better choice than Sinclair and an out-of-form McMillan.
    more than 1 series = AUS & SRL................


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax
    I'd be interested to know, how many people on CW agree with the assertion in the papers recently that Vincent will be "a certainty" in the next full-strength OD side Bracewell picks? Has the 224 and the promise that he's 'new and improved' already overwritten the 62 ODIs of Spearman-like stats?

    Given Bracewell has said several times that he sees Hamish's future in a full-strength line-up at #5, where would Vincent most likely bat?

    Fleming
    Astle
    ? (J Marshall, Vincent, maybe an experimental choice like Taylor or Fulton in ZIM)
    Styris
    Hamish
    McMillan (or Vincent, or one of the experimental options, or another seamer at #10-11)
    Cairns
    Oram
    McCullum
    Vettori
    Bond
    a couple of problems here .............

    firstly Bracewell wanting to drop Hamish - IMO it's a big risk unless he's got someone else capable of holding the top of the innings together....................

    2ndly your team selection has a 6-4 split...............from memory they use 5-5 with Cairns as the allrounder at #6.............even when Bond was available..........

    they've only used a 6-4 since Oram & Styris have been unavailable.............

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    Arjun, there isnt as much difference in keeping between hopkins/mccullum as some people make it out to be.
    Mccullum has improved his keeping a lot and he is a much better batsman, having another keeper would be a waste of space imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anzac
    I just think back to that ODI v IND at Jade when Bond let rip................from memory Vincent was at the other end & came in at #5 & got 50 n.o. - IMO it was the best ODI innings I've seen him play...............
    I thought that was the second Eden Park ODI which India won by one wicket after they were crusing to a comfortable victory? I remember Vincent though, very mature one day innings, not bad from Bond either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    Why does James Franklin bat at the bottom three positions in the batting order? He has a good domestic records a batsman (including a century) and even got a 50 against the Lankans, so he can be considered a regular batsman at 7 or 8, particularly when Styris and Oram are out of action.
    Man, you seriously talk some rubbish at times. One century doesn't make him a regular batsman in the Test team....what the hell are you on?

    McCullum, Vettori deserve to bat ahead of Franklin. McCullum has kept for the majority of his life, and was the keeper batsman in the U21 World Cup where he hit those centuries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Argun
    Franklin and Vettori can swap places in every innings. Moreover, you have batting all the way down to 9, giving you the option of a genuine wicketkeeper at 10.
    What's the point in swapping Vettori and Franklin in every innings? Just for the sake of changing? McCullum is a genuine wicket-keeper, perhaps you should watch some games sometime, and you will see McCullum hasn't dropped many catches in a while now. He's taken some stunners this summer.
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    Please don't ever put Lou Vincent in the ODI team again. I'll cry if he makes it back.

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    Why not? He's found his form again, and would be a handy addition to the middle order if he can maintain his aggressive attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anzac
    a couple of problems here .............

    firstly Bracewell wanting to drop Hamish - IMO it's a big risk unless he's got someone else capable of holding the top of the innings together....................

    2ndly your team selection has a 6-4 split...............from memory they use 5-5 with Cairns as the allrounder at #6.............even when Bond was available..........

    they've only used a 6-4 since Oram & Styris have been unavailable.............
    Firstly new zealand line-up have always been pretty strong in the middle order but weak in the top-order, Lets get hamish up to no#3 to solidify that top-order.

    In one-dayers particularly we need a 5-5 split just to give our ourselves options through an innings otherwise we end up limiting ourselves.

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    Fleming got 1 in the second innings. So, his season so far: 2 innings, 1 run @ 0.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    Why not? He's found his form again, and would be a handy addition to the middle order if he can maintain his aggressive attitude.
    What do you mean "again"? He played 62 one-dayers, 62! And he wasn't just bad, he was appalling, he was horrific. He is an incompetent one-day batsman.

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    People thought he was an incompentent Test batsman before his double century too....

    Sure he was average in his 62 ODIs, but that shouldn't prevent him from being selected again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    People thought he was an incompentent Test batsman before his double century too....

    Sure he was average in his 62 ODIs, but that shouldn't prevent him from being selected again.
    But does the team need another batsman? They already have Fleming, Astle, the Marshalls, Styris (given recent strategies don't have him bowling), then McMillan- but have trouble taking 10 wickets in an innings. Vincent is not even an opener, which the team needs.

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