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    Icon5 Cricket v/s Baseball

    This might seem like a bit of a biased and illogical arguement but just an observation. I have been playing cricket for all my life now. I learnt how to play baseball a while ago aroun 6 years ago and have watched baseball occassionally. Frankly if any American calls test cricket boring, they have GUTS because baseball is ten times worse (I told you this is a biased opinion). Baseball is just a weird form of cricket and rounders combined. Quite frankly I do not know what the Americans see in baseball. It is too one-dimensional a sport and has absolutely no strategy as compared to cricket. The beauty of cricket lies in the strategy and the battle and face it - no sport can be discussed for so long and in as many details and aspects of it than cricket (As you all know!!)

    My point being is it really fair?
    MLB (Major League Baseball) players get more than 20 times the amount international cricketers get.
    Cricket is probably twice as popular in terms of fan following yet Baseball & Softball are Olympic sports??
    Wherever I go in the world, everyone has heard of baseball but in many countries cricket is unheard of amongst the locals??

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    agreed. but the thing is cricket takes a lot of time. most people don't have time to sit around all day in front of the TV and watch a cricket match. that's probably why cricket is not included in the olympics. Not to mention most countries don't play it.
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    saying people don't have time to watch cricket, is a fair comment and holds alot of truth in this day and age. the thing that most cricket lovers and i for one don't understand is america also had a period in it's time when there was no t.v. work was 9-5 mon-fri entertainment was nothing more than a board game like monopoly. (early 19th century) why did they turn the game of cricket inside-out and make up a hoach poach game like baseball.

    the real reason is america wanted to be differ'nt and unique and anything europe was going to be left in europe, this included sports such as soccer, rugby and cricket. gridiron and baseball were both shaped from rugby and cricket, and it's only in the last 5-8 years has america started to embrace soccer and compete.

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    Completely agree, Checkmeout, I saw a game of baseball at school and just thought ‘what the f***.’ I watched for about half an hour and I didn’t see the ball get hit once. The skill level involved in playing cricket is much much higher—take pitching in baseball, which is mainly just about how fast you can throw it. As for the fielding, I hate how they rely on their gloves to catch the ball. I always get a kick when my friends are throwing around a baseball and (from a distance away) I ask them to throw it to me. Same response, every time: “But you haven’t got a glove!” (a baseball is softer a cricket ball, too)


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    Here's a nice article that explains America's relationship with cricket, it's a lot more complex than you think, and has a lot to do with that ironically american vice, classism.

    http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/...269611,00.html

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    meh i think baseball is an incredibly boring game, watched my sister play numerous times - she gets angry when i tell her how to play and apply cricket strategies to baseball
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    Baseball is supposed to have more rules than any other game too

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc
    I always get a kick when my friends are throwing around a baseball and (from a distance away) I ask them to throw it to me. Same response, every time: “But you haven’t got a glove!” (a baseball is softer a cricket ball, too)

    played a few social games of baseball in the past, always field without a mit, is soo much harder to catch with one when your not used to it. but people i play with are surprised that i can catch so easily without one.

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    No time?? Don't think thats quite apt.. even a Twenty20 game is way more exciting than baseball. But majority of Americans don't even know that a sport called cricket exists.

    The skill level required in baseball is absolutely pathetic and I am pretty sure although over a period of long time, if the ICC does not screw up and markets the game properly the USA will become a fairly decent cricketing nation.

    And also the Olympic Games & the money has got to do with Americas position in the world - they are a superpower and get what they want. And technically baseball is their national sport.
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    Article taken from http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/25jog.htm

    Very true article

    What cricket has and baseball doesn’t
    Gaurav Sharma

    Cricket and baseball have always been considered cousins. However, many feel that baseball is the poorer cousin, and I dare say, they are absolutely right.

    I know, many MLB fans would beg to differ but if they go through this column without any bias and pre conceived notions, it may just prove to be an eye opener.

    The relation between cricket and baseball goes back to the 17th century. The English who migrated to the United States brought along the earliest form of cricket called ‘rounders’.

    Baseball ‘Rounders’ was played in the cricket mould, with a pair of stumps and two bases. The bowler used to bowl under arm and the batsman used cricket bats to protect their stumps. However, with the advent of time, more Americans took to the game and it was changed to suit the increasing participation. This is how Baseball briginated in its earliest form.

    Of course, since then both baseball and cricket have undergone various changes but where cricket stuck to the old format, baseball molded into a completely different game.

    Even though, baseball and cricket originated from the same game, I personally feel, cricket has always been the better and richer of the two. I understand that not many would agree with my view point but I have strong arguments to prove my stand. The only way through which we can solve this debate is by comparing both these games. It is but natural that my analysis would be from a cricket fans perspective and I hope you will not mind that.

    Talking of comparisons, let us begin with the biggest difference that both the games have. I am talking about those 22 yards of clay that cricket has and baseball doesn't. You may argue that what's the big deal about that? The big deal is, that it is these 22 yards or what is commonly called ‘the pitch’, which makes cricket the great game that baseball isn’t. The pitch adds so many dimensions to the game that a baseball fan cannot even imagine.

    The pitch can have a huge impact on the way a cricket match progresses. The pitch defines the composition of a side; what the captain opts on winning the toss i.e. whether to bat or field; the kind of strokes that a batsman can play; the way the bowlers have to bowl and quite often the pitch can also have a huge bearing on the outcome of a match. Can baseball boast of anything like that? I don’t think so.

    A cricket pitch is not just a barren piece of land. As a matter of fact, a cricket pitch is affected by various factors. These include the weather conditions, the wear and tear caused by the players' shoe spikes, the amount of grass covering on the pitch and the over head conditions. A pitch having more grass covering offers extra bounce and pace to the quick bowlers, on the contrary, a pitch that is dry and devoid of any grass tends to offer more turn and lower bounce. This helps the spin bowlers. An overcast and humid day would see the ball swinging and seaming off the pitch, in contrast, on a sunny and hot day the ball would not swing or seam off the pitch. All this adds to the challenge and the unpredictability of the game.

    General view of a cricket stadium The batsman and the bowler must adjust to different conditions in order to perform to their potential. On a green pitch, the bowler has the upperhand whereas on a hard and dry wicket it's the batsman who dominates. This makes for a great contest between the bat and ball and tests the skills and ability of both the batsman and the bowler. Does baseball possess the ability to provide such a contest? The answer is simple, it does not.

    The absence of these 22 yards makes baseball far too predictable. Since the ball has to be bowled waist high to the batter, it makes the batters task that much simpler. On the other hand in cricket, the batsman has to judge the line and the bounce of the ball correctly and in a fraction of second has to decide the most suitable shot for that particular ball. As for baseball, the batter can just set himself for the shot in advance because he knows that the ball can only be pitched in a very limited area and he doesn’t has to worry about the bounce and the line of the ball. The shot which most of the baseball batters play is called a slog in cricketing terms and even the worst of cricket batsmen would fancy himself playing such a shot. This can not be said about the baseball batters. I am sure, that a baseball batter would struggle to even make contact with the ball if he bats on a cricket pitch and against a cricket bowler. Batting in cricket is all about the right footwork, technique and timing which unfortunately is missing in cricket’s poorer cousin.

    Try having a taste of some cricketing shots like the straight drive; the cover drive; the cuts and pulls; the big lofted drive etc. I can assure you that it will take your breath away. These shots are stunning examples of timing and power. They are not mere slogs but require tremendous amount of practice and skill. Also, look out for those toe crushing yorkers; the rib-snorting bouncers; the big leg breaks and off-breaks; the out-swingers; the leg-cutter; the flipper and many more. All these alien terms are various kinds of deliveries that a cricket bowler has in his armory. You can realize for yourself as to the skill and the technique that a batsman must possess to face such an onslaught. Can baseball pitchers even think of such variety? You know the answer. Don’t you?

    Unlike cricket, where both batsman and bowlers have a fair chance, baseball doesn’t give the batters the opportunity to build an innings. In cricket, the batsman can decide when he wants to take a run whereas in baseball the batters often have to commit ‘hara-kiri’, thanks to the ridiculous rule of running as soon as the batter makes contact with the ball. Cricket provides the batsman ample opportunity and time to build a substantial innings. Though, it is not that easy as it requires loads of concentration and stamina. A slight lapse in concentration can lead to the batsman’s downfall because in cricket the batsman’s first mistake is often his last one. It is not like baseball where the batsman has three opportunities to strike the ball.

    Cricket is not just about going out and banging the ball for home runs or in relative terms, sixes and fours. In fact, some times the batsman has to curb all his shots and defend for long hours in order to save the game for his side. Many a time, the batsman has to play in extremely difficult conditions that can be highly demanding, physically as well as mentally. This is just not the case in baseball because the batter hardly gets any time to stay in the middle.

    If you think that baseball players are tougher than their cricket counterparts, then think again.

    I mean to say that if they are so tough then why do they need those big gloves to take the catches? At the end of the day it’s no big deal to stop the ball with a thick glove. On the contrary, the cricketers use bare hands to stop the hard leather ball, which can be coming at you like a bullet. If you don’t believe me try it yourself and if you are still not satisfied then try the same on a chilly day. I can tell you that once you try this out you would definitely know who is tougher.

    The fact that baseball, to a great extent is limited only to the United States, is ample indication that it lacks the appeal which is important for a game to gain global acceptance. On the other hand cricket may not be as popular as soccer but it has an international standing and at present apart from the 10 Test-playing nations there are over 120 associate nations that form the ever growing cricket community. The associate members include the United States, The Netherlands, Scotland, Hong Kong, Singapore and many others. This is a clear indication of cricket’s growth as a truly global sport. Also, it proves that cricket enjoys more popularity over its counterpart.

    Finally, I would like to say that it is the challenge, the unpredictability factor and the skills in which lies the beauty of the game of cricket.

    I will finish off by saying that if baseball wants to become as good as cricket it has to borrow some of cricket’s finer points. However, unless that happens baseball fans will have to be content with only half the fun .If you want the whole of it how about a small doze of cricket?

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    I really enjoy playing baseball, but cannot bring myself to watch it. I was a pretty good pitcher in my younger years, and it is an enjoyable part of the game, when you are one-on-one with a batsman, and some of the mind games that are there is quite intriguing, you also have to work well with the catcher. A catcher's role is far too often under-rated.

    I was never a good hitter in baseball, because I always tried to play cricket shots, the same happens when I play golf. However, as far as pitching goes, I enjoyed it heaps.
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    Whether or not that guy has a point, it's a pretty poorly written article. Very amateurish... "omg look im cricket fan cricket is better than ur baseball ur fool"

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    Why the hell is that guy writing an article about why one sport is better than another? I agree that article is absolutely p*ss poor.
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    Baseball used to be America's favorite sport along with boxing but now it's behind football, soccer, basketball and a few others. It's really not that popular anymore. I'm not even sure if it's in the top five.

    My issues with baseball is that it lacks class, strategy, skill and intelligence. Any moron who can hit the ball hard can do well in it.

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    Good read is Ed Smith's(yep, the England batsman) book on the differences and similarlities of the two sports..cant remember what its called though..'play hardball ' or something
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