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    7 months away from the Ashes...

    And both sides are in a state of flux with lots of spots in each team up from grabs.

    Interestingly, I reckon (and I'm going to be pilloried for saying it) that the names that appear approximately cancel each other out, and so it may well be that the performance of the four or so "uncertains" dictates where the Ashes ends up. Discuss.

    England

    Cook
    Strauss
    ********
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Flintoff
    Prior
    Broad
    [Anderson]
    ********
    ********

    Australia

    Katich
    ********
    Ponting
    Hussey
    Clarke
    [Symonds / Watson]
    Haddin
    Johnson
    [Lee]
    ********
    ********

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinissimo View Post
    And both sides are in a state of flux with lots of spots in each team up from grabs.

    Interestingly, I reckon (and I'm going to be pilloried for saying it) that the names that appear approximately cancel each other out, and so it may well be that the performance of the four or so "uncertains" dictates where the Ashes ends up. Discuss.

    England

    Cook
    Strauss
    ********
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Flintoff
    Prior
    Broad
    [Anderson]
    ********
    ********

    Australia

    Katich
    ********
    Ponting
    Hussey
    Clarke
    [Symonds / Watson]
    Haddin
    Johnson
    [Lee]
    ********
    ********
    Lee will be in the team, as will Clark. Symonds is probably 60-70% over Watson at the moment too. Also Anderson is a lot more certain than Broad for the English team.
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    These shud be the teams

    England

    Strauss
    Cook
    Vaughn
    Peterson(c)
    Collinwood
    Proir(wk)
    Flintoff
    Harmless son he's good at home.
    Brody
    Sidebottom.

    Stralia

    Huges
    Katmat
    Clarke (c) (also spin)
    Hussay senior
    Hussay junior/Hodge
    Symmonds (as spin option)
    Watto
    Haddin (wk)
    Lee
    Johnners
    Clark

    Expect a 4-0 whitewash off te Poms.

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    Already have a thread for this TBH.

    Anyway I reckon I gave some near-certainties, some hopefuls and some no-player-has-claim-on places a few months back; can update it now. C = near-certainty; P = still probable; -------- = no-one has a case for.

    England:
    Strauss - C
    Cook - P
    -------
    Pietersen - C
    Collingwood - P
    Flintoff - C (but not on batting position)
    -------
    Sidebottom - C
    Anderson - P
    -------
    -------

    Australia:
    -------
    ------- (though Katich is likely to be one of these positions and Jaques quite possible)
    Ponting - C
    Hussey M - C
    Clarke - C
    Symonds - P
    Haddin - C
    Johnson - C
    B Lee - P
    Clark - C
    -------
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    Sidebottom, Anderson, Broad/Harmison, Flintoff Swann/Panesar

    Vs.

    Lee, Johnson, Clark, Krezja, Symonds/Clarke

    Lee, Johnson, Anderson and Harmison are all very similar in the sense that either they look very threatening or they are serving up pies. Sidebottom, Flintoff and Clark on the other hand are very solid players who often are unrewarded for good bowling.

    The English spinners are far better than any Aussie counterpart.

    Pretty hard to call which attack is best really. Sidebottom Flintoff and an onsong Anderson are 3 very good pacers.

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    I'll have a million bucks on Krejza not getting anywhere near the Ashes squad. IMO McGain will go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    I'll have a million bucks on Krejza not getting anywhere near the Ashes squad. IMO McGain will go.
    McGain anygood because Siddle and Krezja were ****ing atrocious in that last .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Sidebottom, Anderson, Broad/Harmison, Flintoff Swann/Panesar

    Vs.

    Lee, Johnson, Clark, Krezja, Symonds/Clarke

    Lee, Johnson, Anderson and Harmison are all very similar in the sense that either they look very threatening or they are serving up pies. Sidebottom, Flintoff and Clark on the other hand are very solid players who often are unrewarded for good bowling.

    The English spinners are far better than any Aussie counterpart.

    Pretty hard to call which attack is best really. Sidebottom Flintoff and an onsong Anderson are 3 very good pacers.
    Australia's best bowler (Clark) is better than England's best (Flintoff) in more conditions than not. However, if England get the conditions right (and obviously a bit of it is down to luck as if the weather's bad you can't prepare with the attention-to-detail you'd like), Flintoff could easily be better than Clark.

    England's second-best (Sidebottom) is potentially better than anything else Australia have to offer (be it Lee or Johnson). Lee and Johnson have both been poor very often but have also of times been devastating.

    Anderson is similar to the above two Australians - often poor but potentially excellent and having demonstrated his excellence not so long ago.

    The rest of the seamers who might play have so far done nothing to suggest they're any good at Test level - but that doesn't mean any of them won't be. Come July 2009, Tremlett and Bracken\Bollinger (or others) could be bowlers who can perform at Test level.

    To make many assumptions about the spinners would be dangerous - we don't know how good Bryce McGain really is. He could be better than MSP or Swann - he's a wristspinner. However, he could also perfectly possibly be nowhere near as good under most circumstances. One thing's for sure, though, if McGain doesn't play, England >>>>>>>> Australia in spin and would be exceptionally unwise not to try to play to that strength.

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    England

    Strauss
    Shah
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Collingwood
    Freddy
    Prior
    Swann
    Broad
    Sidebottom
    Anderson.

    Australia.

    Hayden/Jacques
    Katich
    Pointing
    Clarke
    Hussey
    Symonds
    Haddin
    Lee
    Clark
    Krejza
    Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durham_CCC View Post
    England

    Strauss
    Shah
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Collingwood
    Freddy
    Prior
    Swann
    Broad
    Sidebottom
    Anderson.
    Owais Shah opening the batting?

    You are joking?

    Also will be sooo disappointed if Prior and Broad play.

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    Icon10 Seth Africa must thank India

    For giving that joke of a spinner kresha such terrific/terrible debut figures. it was inevitable to him included when fit, and S Africa cashed!!! :

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    Flintoff's fitness and batting form key for us I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Already have a thread for this TBH.

    Anyway I reckon I gave some near-certainties, some hopefuls and some no-player-has-claim-on places a few months back; can update it now. C = near-certainty; P = still probable; -------- = no-one has a case for.

    England:
    Strauss - C
    Cook - P
    -------
    Pietersen - C
    Collingwood - P
    Flintoff - C (but not on batting position)
    -------
    Sidebottom - C
    Anderson - P
    -------
    -------

    Australia:
    -------
    ------- (though Katich is likely to be one of these positions and Jaques quite possible)
    Ponting - C
    Hussey M - C
    Clarke - C
    Symonds - P
    Haddin - C
    Johnson - C
    B Lee - P
    Clark - C
    -------
    I hate to say it, but Sidebottom is no certainty. He's definitely a P due to his fitness problems and the fact that England's selectors sometimes don't seem keen to pick him (mind-boggingly).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Owais Shah opening the batting?

    You are joking?

    Also will be sooo disappointed if Prior and Broad play.
    Sick of Cook getting out to silly shots, I think it would be worth a go opening with Shah in the Windies, and see how he does.

    Would you prefer Bell to open ? I think they are both class players and both should be in the side IMO.

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    1. hayden
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    3. ponting
    4. cosgrove
    5. d. hussey
    6. watson
    7. hartley
    8. henriques
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