Viv Richards vs Steve Smith

[Johan]

Similar players. I know it's been done before, but let's do it this time without the influence of Narayana's endless multis.

 

[DrWolverine]

Both in the same tier - very very close.

 

[Coronis]

Smudge

 

[Johan]

Narayana was such an impactful poster he made entire polls useless.

 

[Agonizingly Awkward]

Smith is a flat track bully. Waiting for @Prince EWS to expose him.

On a more serious note, Smith has a pretty poor record against the great bowlers of his time against Viv dominating them.

 

[Johan]

generally don't think PEWS rates either.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv. Better peak. Better against ATG bowling. Didn't have so much home pitch inflation.

Smith has a greater desire for runs though but I believe Viv had more impact. Smith declining during a time when bowling standards are higher doesn't help his case.

 

[DrWolverine]

List out the flaws for the following players
1. Hutton
2. Sobers
3. Viv
4. Sachin
5. Smith

 

[subshakerz]

List out the flaws for the following players
1. Hutton
2. Sobers
3. Viv
4. Sachin
5. Smith

1 Unusually low SR.
2. Batted too low in the order compared to the rest
3. Relatively less impressive post peak, not great century conversion
4. Lack of mega series
5. Relatively declined at the same time as bowling globally improved

 

[Johan]

1. Hutton

Can't hook the ball due to his hand condition after the war. Had to rely on cuts and guiding the ball to the third man.

2. Sobers

suspect against Trueman's cutters. Trueman had people thinking Kanhai was the better bat until 1966.

3. Viv

Reckless, did not maximise output. Failed in easy serieses where he should've scored heaps like 1983-84 India and 1977 Pakistan and 1974-75 Pakistan.

4. Sachin

Weakness against a ball pitched a bit off to the off stump but then deviates in, Muttiah Muralitharan, James Anderson and Hansie Cronje all came to this conclusion.

5. Smith

balls that stays low mainly, mainly an off cutters that stays low, after peak he has shown an issue with quality spin.

 

[Gob]

Interesting to see that Johan is voting for Viv now. Viv's recent performances have certainly made a difference

 

[DrWolverine]

Viv's recent performances have certainly made a difference

 

[DrWolverine]

Can't hook the ball due to his hand condition after the war. Had to rely on cuts and guiding the ball to the third man.


suspect against Trueman's cutters. Trueman had people thinking Kanhai was the better bat until 1966.


Reckless, did not maximise output. Failed in easy serieses where he should've scored heaps like 1983-84 India and 1977 Pakistan and 1974-75 Pakistan.


Weakness against a ball pitched a bit off to the off stump but then deviates in, Muttiah Muralitharan, James Anderson and Hansie Cronje all came to this conclusion.


balls that stays low mainly, mainly an off cutters that stays low, after peak he has shown an issue with quality spin.

I meant in terms of records and achievements.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Can't hook the ball due to his hand condition after the war. Had to rely on cuts and guiding the ball to the third man.


suspect against Trueman's cutters. Trueman had people thinking Kanhai was the better bat until 1966.


Reckless, did not maximise output. Failed in easy serieses where he should've scored heaps like 1983-84 India and 1977 Pakistan and 1974-75 Pakistan.


Weakness against a ball pitched a bit off to the off stump but then deviates in, Muttiah Muralitharan, James Anderson and Hansie Cronje all came to this conclusion.


balls that stays low mainly, mainly an off cutters that stays low, after peak he has shown an issue with quality spin.

Fascinating analysis all around. Well done.

 

[Coronis]

Interesting to see that Johan is voting for Viv now. Viv's recent performances have certainly made a difference

I think it was Smith’s performance in Sri Lanka that swayed him.

 

[Johan]

Interesting to see that Johan is voting for Viv now. Viv's recent performances have certainly made a difference

I went heads for Viv, Tails for Smith

 

[Coronis]

I went heads for Viv, Tails for Smith
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Why a female gotta be heads?

 

[Gob]

I think it was Smith’s performance in Sri Lanka that swayed him.

I thought he played pretty well there tbh despite getting out in the usual 140s

 

[Johan]

Why a female gotta be heads?

I don't know.

 

[kyear2]

Why a female gotta be heads?

Why not?