Shane Warne vs Jasprit Bumrah

[DrWolverine]

Stone Cold’s main event run burned bright for just 2-3 years. Taker was main event Lee for 2 decades. Yet, Stone Cold is remembered as the bigger star.

 

[Johan]

Stone Cold’s main event run burned bright for just 2-3 years. Undertaker reigned at the top for over two decades. Yet, Stone Cold is remembered as the bigger star.

because Austin's career being short was entirely on a freak accident, and my analogy was entirely about skill in the ring/with the ball, Austin is not better in those factors than Taker.

 

[DrWolverine]

Take Dynamite Kid/Tom Billington as Bumrah, and Rey Mysterio Jr as Warne, nobody would disagree that the prior was pound for pound the most skilled performer

If someone asks who is the better in-ring performer, most wrestling fans would say Dynamite Kid even if his career did not last that long.

 

[DrWolverine]

Taker was never really on the level that Austin was from 1997-2002/3.

Warne may have the legacy but ball-for-ball, I’d take Bumrah.

 

[Johan]

If someone asks who is the better in-ring performer, most wrestling fans would say Dynamite Kid even if his career did not last that long.

Rey would likely retire as a god, no man has changed American wrestling as much as him and he has been somewhere between good to elite for 32-33 years now, Billington is not even a footnote in wrestling history in comparison to the maestro that is Rey Mysterio Jr.

 

[Johan]

Warne may have the legacy but ball-for-ball, I’d take Bumrah.

sure, so would I, but Warne would bowl more balls, way more balls, and would be injured way less. so if going into a series, Warne is the obvious choice.

 

[DrWolverine]

sure, so would I,

That’s exactly what I am saying

but Warne would bowl more balls, way more balls, and would be injured way less. so if going into a series, Warne is the obvious choice.

I agree

 

[Johan]

Let me put it this way

Tom Billington vs Rey Mysterio Jr

One match? You take Billington, but what Rey can produce isn't that far inferior

Five matches over 2 weeks? You take Billington, but only narrowly

A month? Now, it becomes hard

A Year? Definitly Mysterio, because he won't get injured and could work more as you don't have to worry about injury.

5 Years? Mysterio clearly, because the same point as before, he'd take much less time off for injuries.

over a full career? Mysterio, no debate, as he's the only one who'd have the career, he is going for 32-33 years, Billington literally stopped after 10 or so and was in a wheelchair after 15 years

Jasprit Bumrah vs Shane Warne

One short spell? You take Bumrah, his average is a few points lower even adjusted.

A match? You still take Bumrah, but very narrowly

A few matches? Now it's a tossup, because Bumrah can break down,Warne won't, call it a tie.

A series? You take Warne, 5 matches with more bowling each match by an elite bowler, rather than 3 of 5 matches.

Over 5 years? You take Warne, for the same reason as before, and would have much less injury timeoff

Over a career? You take Warne, as we are not sure Bumrah would even make it to 10 years, Warne did 15, with all the points before.

That's why the Rey Mysterio Jr and Shane Warne are better, even if ball to ball or move to move They are inferior to Billington and Bumrah.

 

[Coronis]

Let me put it this way, against Warne, England lose this game easily. We lost 378/3 game in 2022 too.

Why? because Warne couldn't be just blocked out, he'd be a constant threat, Bumrah is not, Warne would play all 5 games, Bumrah is at a point where he can only play 60% of the games in major serieses, let alone nothing games.

Let me make an analogy, take them as pro wrestles, Bumrah moves faster, sells better and does everything better but Gasses out in 10 minutes, Warne keeps up with Bumrah in quality and has much greater endurance and can keep up for 20-25 minutes, it's obvious who would have a better body of work due to their endurance, and therefore Warne would be regarded as better.

Take Dynamite Kid/Tom Billington as Bumrah, and Rey Mysterio Jr as Warne, nobody would disagree that the prior was pound for pound the most skilled performer, but the body of work matters and how you get to that body of work also matters, and therefore the latter is better. Same for Warne vs Bumrah.

if this was Bumrah vs Underwood, then sure, the gap in quality is too much, but these guys are similar enough in quality that it's not the same thing at all.

idk about that. Warne was a super headliner, despite being amongst an all time lineup.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

There is no comparison between the star power of Warne and Bumrah. Warne was the face of probably the greatest cricket team ever. McGrath was probably better but Warne was the man.

 

[Johan]

idk about that. Warne was a super headliner, despite being amongst an all time lineup.

In professional wrestling, "selling" refers to a wrestler's ability to convincingly portray the effects of their opponent's moves, making the action appear realistic and impactful to the audience. It also relates to the portrayal that the performer performs of everything inside the ring or connected to the match or rivalry, physical or metaphorical.

 

[Srinath P]

Warne is ahead right now on longevity basis.

And Bumrah playing only 3 games in a 5 match series now might well affect his legacy, imo. India constantly has to keep seeking replacements for him, and he wouldn't have 25-30 wicket series from now either.

 

[Srinath P]

Warne is ahead right now on longevity basis.

And Bumrah playing only 3 games in a 5 match series now might well affect his legacy, imo. India constantly has to keep seeking replacements for him, and he wouldn't have 25-30 wicket series from now either.

And he would play very few tests in Asia from now as well.

 

[Coronis]

In professional wrestling, "selling" refers to a wrestler's ability to convincingly portray the effects of their opponent's moves, making the action appear realistic and impactful to the audience. It also relates to the portrayal that the performer performs of everything inside the ring or connected to the match or rivalry, physical or metaphorical.

So yes, Warne

 

[kyear2]

There is no comparison between the star power of Warne and Bumrah. Warne was the face of probably the greatest cricket team ever. McGrath was probably better but Warne was the man.

Warne was "the man" based more on personality than who was the driver of that dynasty.

That was certainly McGrath