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Players swapping places

Johan

International Coach
so I had a thread idea where we make players swap position/roles with each other, swapping places at the start of their FC careers and predict/speculate how the hypothetical career would go, try to predict their final stats in <runs/wickets @ average> format, also say if you think their career would be end up better than the guy they replaced. Please don't bring butterfly effect here

1. Rahul Dravid – Ken Barrington swapping

2. Fred Trueman – Dale Steyn swapping

3. Everton Weekes – Viv Richards swapping

4. Sunil Gavaskar – Geoffrey Boycott swapping

5. Alastair Cook – Graham Gooch swapping
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
so I had a thread idea where we make players swap position/roles with each other, swapping places at the start of their FC careers and predict/speculate how the hypothetical career would go, try to predict their final stats in <runs/wickets @ average> format, also say if you think their career would be end up better than the guy they replaced. Please don't bring butterfly effect here

1. Rahul Dravid – Ken Barrington swapping

2. Fred Trueman – Dale Steyn swapping

3. Everton Weekes – Viv Richards swapping

4. Sunil Gavaskar – Geoffrey Boycott swapping

5. Alastair Cook – Graham Gooch swapping
They all have more or less the same careers.
 

Johan

International Coach
They all have more or less the same careers.
I disagree, I personally think say Viv would likely average more but Weekes less, Freddie would play way more away but Steyn won't have the personality issues that stopped Fred from playing away more, Dravid would have a way longer career than Kenny B etc
 

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
Viv Richards would have been a sensation back then. Imagine a player from the 1950s scoring a century off 55 odd balls in test cricket. He would have a great record against Australia/England and would have feasted on the lesser teams like Pakistan/ NewZealand/ India.
 

Johan

International Coach
Viv Richards would have been a sensation back then. Imagine a player from the 1950s scoring a century off 55 odd balls in test cricket. He would have a great record against Australia/England and would have feasted on the lesser teams like Pakistan/ NewZealand/ India.
and Weekes in Viv's role? he probably won't be allowed to play games with injuries or sinusitis.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
1. Dravid - Barrington:

Rahul Dravid: 120 m, 9200 runs @55
Ken Barrington: 110 m, 8800 runs @56


Think both will have better careers in the other man's shoes. Dravid will get picked sooner than Kenny, and as result, while his average will suffer, his overall numbers will improve. I feel Dravid can match Ken in India and WI and won't be much worse in Australia and SA, while will do better in England.
Kenny will get picked a little afterwards, and can avoid a few years of the 90s. But nevertheless, in the flat 2000s, he will use his technique to maximize output in roads and will do just that. Will also have a full 12-13 year long career and hence his average won't be as good.



2. Steyn - Trueman:

Dale Steyn: 110 m, 475 wickets @22
Fred Trueman: 120 m, 500 wickets @25

Think Steyn will gain more this way around. He will play much more away hence his average will be less pretty, but he will absolutely match Freddie at home and feel will do Great in Australia, WI and SA.
Freddie won't complain though. Will get to play more away, and while I think his Average will suffer a bit, will still be the best bowler of a generation easily and have a ton more wickets.



3. Viv Richards - Everton Weekes

Viv Richards: 80m, 6700 runs @54
Everton Weekes: 70m, 5600 runs @52

Viv will have a much longer career than than Everton and will play more away in tougher conditions. Also think Weekes was just better in squeezing out runs in flat tracks and against weaker sides, something Viv was never too keen on. Nevertheless, he will score a ton away and will likely have a fair few ATG tours to balance things out.
Weekes will have a shorter career. Think will score about as much as Viv at home while less away. Still plagued with injuries, will retire before he can have a downfall, shielding his average somewhat.



4. Sunil Gavaskar - Geoff Boycott:

Sunil Gavaskar: 135 m, 11000 runs @51
Geoff Boycott: 85 m, 8500 runs @48

Gavaskar will not take a chunk of in his scoring prime, nor will he skip SC tours. While his home record will suffer I think his away record will slightly improve, facing easier Australia and WI early on. Overall, think he will play and hence score a fair ton more and don't think his numbers will look too different.
Boycott will again take a break off. His numbers will slightly improve at home with easier pitches but he lacked the intent to score much on them. Don't think away record will be much different, think a bit worse in Pakistan, a bit better in England and won't have Gavaskar's big debut series vs WI.



5. Alaistar Cook - Graham Gooch:

Alaistar Cook: 70 m, 4200 runs @41
Graham Gooch: 190 m, 13500 runs @46

Cook will retire early and again won't face much of WI quartet. Think will fare slightly better to Australia and score heavily in SC, especially will do better early on, but will do worse overall, especially without the WI work to back him.
Gooch will play even more games. Australia issue will persists and some few more can try to exploit it but will play longer and score more.
 

Johan

International Coach
1. Dravid - Barrington:

Rahul Dravid: 120 m, 9200 runs @55
Ken Barrington: 110 m, 8800 runs @56


Think both will have better careers in the other man's shoes. Dravid will get picked sooner than Kenny, and as result, while his average will suffer, his overall numbers will improve. I feel Dravid can match Ken in India and WI and won't be much worse in Australia and SA, while will do better in England.
Kenny will get picked a little afterwards, and can avoid a few years of the 90s. But nevertheless, in the flat 2000s, he will use his technique to maximize output in roads and will do just that. Will also have a full 12-13 year long career and hence his average won't be as good.



2. Steyn - Trueman:

Dale Steyn: 110 m, 475 wickets @22
Fred Trueman: 120 m, 500 wickets @25

Think Steyn will gain more this way around. He will play much more away hence his average will be less pretty, but he will absolutely match Freddie at home and feel will do Great in Australia, WI and SA.
Freddie won't complain though. Will get to play more away, and while I think his Average will suffer a bit, will still be the best bowler of a generation easily and have a ton more wickets.



3. Viv Richards - Everton Weekes

Viv Richards: 80m, 6700 runs @54
Everton Weekes: 70m, 5600 runs @52

Viv will have a much longer career than than Everton and will play more away in tougher conditions. Also think Weekes was just better in squeezing out runs in flat tracks and against weaker sides, something Viv was never too keen on. Nevertheless, he will score a ton away and will likely have a fair few ATG tours to balance things out.
Weekes will have a shorter career. Think will score about as much as Viv at home while less away. Still plagued with injuries, will retire before he can have a downfall, shielding his average somewhat.



4. Sunil Gavaskar - Geoff Boycott:

Sunil Gavaskar: 135 m, 11000 runs @51
Geoff Boycott: 85 m, 8500 runs @48

Gavaskar will not take a chunk of in his scoring prime, nor will he skip SC tours. While his home record will suffer I think his away record will slightly improve, facing easier Australia and WI early on. Overall, think he will play and hence score a fair ton more and don't think his numbers will look too different.
Boycott will again take a break off. His numbers will slightly improve at home with easier pitches but he lacked the intent to score much on them. Don't think away record will be much different, think a bit worse in Pakistan, a bit better in England and won't have Gavaskar's big debut series vs WI.



5. Alaistar Cook - Graham Gooch:

Alaistar Cook: 70 m, 4200 runs @41
Graham Gooch: 190 m, 14500 runs @46

Cook will retire early and again won't face much of WI quartet. Think will fare slightly better to Australia and score heavily in SC, especially will do better early on, but will do worse overall, especially without the WI work to back him.
Gooch will play even more games. Australia issue will persists and some few more can try to exploit it but will play longer and score more.
Amazing!
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Viv Richards would have been a sensation back then. Imagine a player from the 1950s scoring a century off 55 odd balls in test cricket. He would have a great record against Australia/England and would have feasted on the lesser teams like Pakistan/ NewZealand/ India.
He wasn't the type to feast.
 

Johan

International Coach
I'll do it

Ken Barrington–Rahul Dravid

Dravid: 9,000 runs @ 53
Barrington: 11,000 runs @ 55

I think Dravid would debut much earlier than Barrington, Barrington largely managed to dodge the 50s, Dravid won't do that and would have a much longer and healthier career than Barrington, Dravid would be terrific in England as he always was, abroad I actually think he would perform better than Barrington in South Africa because South Africa that Barrington toured had the flattest Cricket series ever in their history, with the first few pitches being turners, Saffer spinners won't manage to challenge Dravid on those and as the people said back then, the attack wasn't the right type for those wickets.

I actually think Barrington would get to play in 1990s even as an inferior young bat, he was by all accounts very entertaining to watch at the time and it's not like India were blessed with a great non-Dravid number 3, seeing how much VVS played I think he'd play quite a bit in the 90s as a mid 30 averaging bat, in the 2000s and after his stylistic change mainly he would probably average north of 60, would end as a rival to Sanga and wrap around 2009/10 after a 14 or so year career.

Fred Trueman–Dale Steyn

Trueman: 550 wickets @ 24
Steyn: 400 wickets @ 21

Fred was fitter than Steyn so would play and bowl more, and we know his level away from home on roads against top class batting to be around 26~, home conditions are also pace friendly so record won't change too much, one point at most. No Virtue Signaling bullcrap where he can't bowl short to some old guy, he won't be dropped because I doubt Cricket South Africa cares too much about the person's nature, would have the career he probably deserved rather than being shafted for all the overseas tours until the flat 60s.

Steyn I reckon would play less as the healthcare for pacers was even worse back then and very little even managed to have careers, he would match Fred's home record but I think he would be picked for the uber spicy 1954-55 Ashes, Steyn won't get in as much trouble as Trueman I reckon, who broke George Headley's hand with a good length ball and a big reason for him being shafted was his angry young man attitude, he would play that tour and would go to South Africa, would end with a much more balanced away record that I think Trueman would've ended with if he got all the tours.

Viv Richards–Everton Weekes

Viv: 7,000 runs @ 55
Weekes: 6,500 runs @ 52

Viv would have a longer career, he probably plays well into the 60s, I don't think Viv was as good as Weekes when it came to just ruthlessly attacking weak bowling or plundering on flat pitches but Viv would end with a much better record in England and Australia, the 1957 England series and 1951-52 Australia series would be much different now because it would be Viv vs two ATG attacks, I reckon he would average 50 in both Australia and England, play like 10 games in Australia and 14 in England, Trueman vs Viv would be legendary and they'd face four times I reckon, would average 50+ against both Australia and England. Viv and Sobers would be some partnership.

Weekes would actually get rest when he's injured, would retire sometime around 1986, would absolutely murder India anyway, would kill anyone at home other than like 1986 Pakistan, won't have the same ATG tours away from home that Viv did and I reckon he would struggle in Pakistan greatly in 1980 and 1986 but think he'd make lots of runs in England, Australia is a toss up, I think he'd do well in 1975-76 and 1979 but not Viv tier, he'd fail in 1982, he'd feast on the weakened bowling in 1984, overall he'd be good away but definitely not as well as Viv, would still be easily the best batsman of the West Indies but not quite in Viv's class.

Sunil Gavaskar–Geoffrey Boycott

Gavaskar: 10,000 @ 50
Boycott: 8,500 @ 50

They already almost entirely overlap in career, Gavaksar retired a couple years or so after Boycott IIRC, so I think they'd do roughly the same when you account for it being more difficult to bat in England in general, I think Boycott averaged more than 70 against spin too and was experienced on wet pitches so I think overall he'd do very well, he didn't milk lineups as well as Gavaskar and the deciding factor between them has always been the fact that Gavaskar was somewhat better at attacking and scoring on easier wickets

Alastair Cook–Graham Gooch

Cook:7,000 @ 40
Gooch: 14,000 @ 47

Cook would still retire early, but I generally think he was slightly better than Gooch against spin and stump to stump slow swing bowling, would feast in India and Pakistan flatties unless Imran pulls an Imran, In any case, he'd have to play a lot against West Indies and Cook was very good but I can't see him averaging more than 30, especially against Garner, he was very bad at getting on top of extra bounce and I think he'd face hell, I think he'd score heavily Against Australia in 1986 Ashes though, overall he'd be very good but I think Gower would be regarded as better.

Gooch would probably have a long, long career, he would retire properly in the bazball era, flatness of pitches at both ends of his career would make his stats better, his peak would be even more glorious and I think considering how flat Australia was in 2010 and 2017, how good Gooch was against Johnson type bowlers and prime Gooch would make runs even in 2021 Ashes, I think overall he would excorcise the Australia demon in the absence of Terry Aldermann, retires as a complete legend after 2023 Ashes which I think we win with a Gooch class opener instead of the two we had back then, but maybe not if he's post prime. He'd be the English captain for literal ages, a much better one than Root and Cook. Would be a far better ODI and T20 batsman too.
 
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Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
1. Dravid - Barrington:

Rahul Dravid: 120 m, 9200 runs @55
Ken Barrington: 110 m, 8800 runs @56


Think both will have better careers in the other man's shoes. Dravid will get picked sooner than Kenny, and as result, while his average will suffer, his overall numbers will improve. I feel Dravid can match Ken in India and WI and won't be much worse in Australia and SA, while will do better in England.
Kenny will get picked a little afterwards, and can avoid a few years of the 90s. But nevertheless, in the flat 2000s, he will use his technique to maximize output in roads and will do just that. Will also have a full 12-13 year long career and hence his average won't be as good.



2. Steyn - Trueman:

Dale Steyn: 110 m, 475 wickets @22
Fred Trueman: 120 m, 500 wickets @25

Think Steyn will gain more this way around. He will play much more away hence his average will be less pretty, but he will absolutely match Freddie at home and feel will do Great in Australia, WI and SA.
Freddie won't complain though. Will get to play more away, and while I think his Average will suffer a bit, will still be the best bowler of a generation easily and have a ton more wickets.



3. Viv Richards - Everton Weekes

Viv Richards: 80m, 6700 runs @54
Everton Weekes: 70m, 5600 runs @52

Viv will have a much longer career than than Everton and will play more away in tougher conditions. Also think Weekes was just better in squeezing out runs in flat tracks and against weaker sides, something Viv was never too keen on. Nevertheless, he will score a ton away and will likely have a fair few ATG tours to balance things out.
Weekes will have a shorter career. Think will score about as much as Viv at home while less away. Still plagued with injuries, will retire before he can have a downfall, shielding his average somewhat.



4. Sunil Gavaskar - Geoff Boycott:

Sunil Gavaskar: 135 m, 11000 runs @51
Geoff Boycott: 85 m, 8500 runs @48

Gavaskar will not take a chunk of in his scoring prime, nor will he skip SC tours. While his home record will suffer I think his away record will slightly improve, facing easier Australia and WI early on. Overall, think he will play and hence score a fair ton more and don't think his numbers will look too different.
Boycott will again take a break off. His numbers will slightly improve at home with easier pitches but he lacked the intent to score much on them. Don't think away record will be much different, think a bit worse in Pakistan, a bit better in England and won't have Gavaskar's big debut series vs WI.



5. Alaistar Cook - Graham Gooch:

Alaistar Cook: 70 m, 4200 runs @41
Graham Gooch: 190 m, 13500 runs @46

Cook will retire early and again won't face much of WI quartet. Think will fare slightly better to Australia and score heavily in SC, especially will do better early on, but will do worse overall, especially without the WI work to back him.
Gooch will play even more games. Australia issue will persists and some few more can try to exploit it but will play longer and score more.
I’m curious as to why Boycott would still take time off.
 

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
1. Dravid - Barrington:

Rahul Dravid: 120 m, 9200 runs @55
Ken Barrington: 110 m, 8800 runs @56


Think both will have better careers in the other man's shoes. Dravid will get picked sooner than Kenny, and as result, while his average will suffer, his overall numbers will improve. I feel Dravid can match Ken in India and WI and won't be much worse in Australia and SA, while will do better in England.
Kenny will get picked a little afterwards, and can avoid a few years of the 90s. But nevertheless, in the flat 2000s, he will use his technique to maximize output in roads and will do just that. Will also have a full 12-13 year long career and hence his average won't be as good.



2. Steyn - Trueman:

Dale Steyn: 110 m, 475 wickets @22
Fred Trueman: 120 m, 500 wickets @25

Think Steyn will gain more this way around. He will play much more away hence his average will be less pretty, but he will absolutely match Freddie at home and feel will do Great in Australia, WI and SA.
Freddie won't complain though. Will get to play more away, and while I think his Average will suffer a bit, will still be the best bowler of a generation easily and have a ton more wickets.



3. Viv Richards - Everton Weekes

Viv Richards: 80m, 6700 runs @54
Everton Weekes: 70m, 5600 runs @52

Viv will have a much longer career than than Everton and will play more away in tougher conditions. Also think Weekes was just better in squeezing out runs in flat tracks and against weaker sides, something Viv was never too keen on. Nevertheless, he will score a ton away and will likely have a fair few ATG tours to balance things out.
Weekes will have a shorter career. Think will score about as much as Viv at home while less away. Still plagued with injuries, will retire before he can have a downfall, shielding his average somewhat.



4. Sunil Gavaskar - Geoff Boycott:

Sunil Gavaskar: 135 m, 11000 runs @51
Geoff Boycott: 85 m, 8500 runs @48

Gavaskar will not take a chunk of in his scoring prime, nor will he skip SC tours. While his home record will suffer I think his away record will slightly improve, facing easier Australia and WI early on. Overall, think he will play and hence score a fair ton more and don't think his numbers will look too different.
Boycott will again take a break off. His numbers will slightly improve at home with easier pitches but he lacked the intent to score much on them. Don't think away record will be much different, think a bit worse in Pakistan, a bit better in England and won't have Gavaskar's big debut series vs WI.



5. Alaistar Cook - Graham Gooch:

Alaistar Cook: 70 m, 4200 runs @41
Graham Gooch: 190 m, 13500 runs @46

Cook will retire early and again won't face much of WI quartet. Think will fare slightly better to Australia and score heavily in SC, especially will do better early on, but will do worse overall, especially without the WI work to back him.
Gooch will play even more games. Australia issue will persists and some few more can try to exploit it but will play longer and score more.
Go get a life bitc.
 

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