Matthew Hayden vs Everton Weekes

[capt_Luffy]

Who was the better batsman among these two who had their own share of roads in their careers.

 

[Thala_0710]

He smashed Greenidge, why would Hayden challenge him

 

[Johan]

Giving @shortpitched713 a heart attack here.

Weekes low diff

 

[capt_Luffy]

He smashed Greenidge, why would Hayden challenge him

On a scale of 1 to 10, how controversial is it to say Hayden and Greenidge is a toss up?

 

[Thala_0710]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how controversial is it to say Hayden and Greenidge is a toss up?

A strong 7.5

 

[Johan]

Coronis I think said Hayden~>Greenidge

 

[kyear2]

A strong 7.5

Sounds about right.

 

[Coronis]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how controversial is it to say Hayden and Greenidge is a toss up?

1. In chronological order, I have Greenidge/Hayden/Sehwag/Smith all relatively tight for that #6 test opener spot. Would give Smith an edge over the 3 HTBs.

 

[Johan]

1. In chronological order, I have Greenidge/Hayden/Sehwag/Smith all relatively tight for that #6 test opener spot. Would give Smith an edge over the 3 HTBs.

isn't Smith an ATB?

 

[sayon basak]

isn't Smith an ATB?

Therefore better.

 

[Johan]

Therefore better.

but how is being an ATB intrinsically better? even considering Graeme's away record is also concentrated around England/New Zealand, it's not like it's a great even spread of success in all conditions.

 

[capt_Luffy]

but how is being an ATB intrinsically better? even considering Graeme's away record is also concentrated around England/New Zealand, it's not like it's a great even spread of success in all conditions.

Tbf his average under sells him in Australia

 

[Johan]

Tbf his average under sells him in Australia

It's about right, he's good in Australia but nothing exceptional, Amla and Villiers were clearly better there as far as I am concerned and they do mid 40s, 39 is fine for Graeme.

 

[Coronis]

but how is being an ATB intrinsically better? even considering Graeme's away record is also concentrated around England/New Zealand, it's not like it's a great even spread of success in all conditions.

For me, I think so. Generally its more valuable to the team imo, since generally - most players do perform better at home, therefore a higher threshold away is a bigger gain from a single player. Of course, you could also say you’re more likely to win home games, so you’d prefer players to be stronger at home anyway to drive that advantage. Guess you know which view I subscribe to.

 

[Johan]

For me, I think so. Generally its more valuable to the team imo, since generally - most players do perform better at home, therefore a higher threshold away is a bigger gain from a single player. Of course, you could also say you’re more likely to win home games, so you’d prefer players to be stronger at home anyway to drive that advantage. Guess you know which view I subscribe to.

Hm, I think I'd agree generally if someone had a great spread of output in all foreign conditions but Smith is a little too reliant on soft/swingy wickets in England/New Zealand, a little below par in India and good but unremarkable in Australia, West Indies of 2000s I don't think mean much.

 

[Coronis]

Hm, I think I'd agree generally if someone had a great spread of output in all foreign conditions but Smith is a little too reliant on soft/swingy wickets in England/New Zealand, a little below par in India and good but unremarkable in Australia, West Indies of 2000s I don't think mean much.

I mean it’ll always vary, based on team composition. But yeah generally more likely your team will have stronger batting at home. Even with say Windies with one of the strongest lineups Viv is so essential there, because most of their batting lineup performs far better at home, whilst Viv is also great away.

 

[Johan]

I mean it’ll always vary, based on team composition. But yeah generally more likely your team will have stronger batting at home. Even with say Windies with one of the strongest lineups Viv is so essential there, because most of their batting lineup performs far better at home, whilst Viv is also great away.

or Smith for Australia in the 2010s as he was the only one making runs away too, and heaps of them.

Regardless, on Greenidge vs Smith, I actually think Greenidge is better in England and New Zealand than Smith too, I don't think a straightforward Pakistan comparison is possible, Smith is better in Australia while Greenidge in India, and Greenidge's home record is just so much more impressive regardless of how we see it.

 

[Coronis]

or Smith for Australia in the 2010s as he was the only one making runs away too, and heaps of them.

Regardless, on Greenidge vs Smith, I actually think Greenidge is better in England and New Zealand than Smith too, I don't think a straightforward Pakistan comparison is possible, Smith is better in Australia while Greenidge in India, and Greenidge's home record is just so much more impressive regardless of how we see it.

I will say Greenidge’s record in NZ is my favourite part of him as a player.

 

[Johan]

I will say Greenidge’s record in NZ is my favourite part of him as a player.

breaks the usual West Indies player in New Zealand trend.

 

[Coronis]

breaks the usual West Indies player in New Zealand trend.

Garner, Walsh, Greenidge. Windies holy trinity against a competitive NZ side.