Keith Miller vs Shane Warne

[kyear2]

You're gonna rate Wasim higher, because others rate him highly?

No, I'm saying I'm taking a second look to see what I missed.

But I know he has some issues, low value of wicket / high percentage of tail wickets etc.

But he had, and this is by some distance, the worst cordon an AT bowler has ever had genuine health issues at the end of his career, where he also played too damn long.

I've always said that Wasim was for me, the most difficult player to valuate.

 

[subshakerz]

I find it amazing that my little selection is getting so much attention, but not like there's anything going on.

But shocking that someone would select the player who makes the all time first team selection of Cricinfo, Wisden, Crowe and many more.

That even in our poll that Imran was 4th and Wasim right behind him in 5th.

None of this explains why you should bring up bowler ranking for Imran and not Wasim.

So what's the case for Imran, if I'm selecting the outright best 3 bowlers, there's Hadlee, Steyn and Ambrose ahead of him.

Best old ball bowlers, I still have Wasim and Steyn ahead.

Obviously it's much closer between Imran and Wasim if you are selecting old bowlers given you already consider Imran a better bowler and bat. Why won't you accept this.

The first is that there's not a meaningful gap between the top 10 guys.

Ask, listen, or read when any of the top batsmen of the era speak about who's the best bowler they faced. They're quite a few names ahead of his.

As much as we pretend it didn't exist, the shenanigans that he hit up to everywhere and especially at home are a thing. I think it's undeniable that he was an exceptional fast bowler, I also don't think that that period when we was averaging 13 at home was unsullied. I also don't think that on quality, skill set and record that he's as good a bowler as the top tier fast bowlers.

You don't actually address the point. We all consider the gaps in the top 10 small. Are we wrong. And if you consider the gap big because of Imran cheating, why do you rank him ahead of Wasim?

The 2nd is that his batting makes a palpable difference and even if there is one, offsets any loss of quality as bowlers. If this was as straight forward as some here profess, than Imran would be in a lot more XI's than he currently is represented in.
First off, it's a preference based on how valuable one see's lower order batting to be, and if it factors into such discussions.

It's just not for me, And I prefer an attack that I believe works best together.

And please for the love of God stop pretending that I'm the only person who doesn't choose Imran for such XIs

Whatever. You need to stop pretending his batting isn't a game changer for others who rate him higher than you do as a bowler. Instead you pretend everyone is mentally deficient by rating a sub par bowler because of batting.

 

[subshakerz]

No, I'm saying I'm taking a second look to see what I missed.

But I know he has some issues, low value of wicket / high percentage of tail wickets etc.

But he had, and this is by some distance, the worst cordon an AT bowler has ever had genuine health issues at the end of his career, where he also played too damn long.

I've always said that Wasim was for me, the most difficult player to valuate.

So you took a second look and you still don't rate Wasim in your top ten bowlers. That's the bottomline.

But you will have him in your ATG XI but whine about bowler ranking with Imran when he is selected even though he is rated higher than Wasim by you.