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Pretty sure we are on the topic of Seinfeld now.
Barry Richards also couldn't play for South Africa except handful of games even though he wanted to. Don't see why Dolly should be inelligible. He played for England only at the age of 35. All his prime cricketing career he would have loved to represent South Africa.
Victor Ian said:I kind of have to agree with you here, and like your reasoning. After all, the stats nerds normally hover around a sample size of 20 to say that one's test record is based on a useful sample. So what is the difference between a sample of 4 test and 0? By my reckoning, both numbers are open to being highly misleading as to the batsmen's worth. This being the case, people are likely, and do, in the case of Richards, to base their case on first class record. As an all rounder, it seems Basil might have a good case here, though I think in his case Kallis or Pollock would take his spot depending on what type of all rounder Basil was classified as.
Whoa Ha, I don't know where to start with this. But sticking to Pratters 3 post argument suggestion I will make this last post and retire from the Basil talk pending replies here.camo999 said:Basil did play for and captain South Africa (referred to as 'South Africa Non-Europeans' on cricketarchive) which was as far as he was allowed to progress and played against the likes of Kenya etc. If Richards can get into an all-time team for SA I'd definitely consider Basil too. I vaguely remember reading somewhere his actual birthdate is a couple of years older than that listed - possibly 1929??- which makes his later career even more remarkable.
Ha i like the argument attempt goal-post shift point of "If you were asked to make an All Time South African XI uptill 1960". Even that wouldn't make sense because IIRC Basil came to England in 1960 for first time to play league cricket - not even county cricket. He first officially played CC in 1964 & from that point people started to take note of him.Tony Grieg and Allan Lamb shifted to England far earlier in their careers than Dolly. Dolly was also regarded as outstanding just like Richards and Pollock. Dolly was the greatest of the coloured cricketers there were at the time. The fact that he made his test debut at 35 for England (Greig debuted at 26, Lamb at 28) and managed to make a career after that is remarkable. Basil made his debut for England in 1966. If you were asked to make an All Time South African XI uptill 1960, say, one could give same reasons for selecting Basil which you give for selecting D Oliveira. He was excellent as rated by his peers but didn't play enough international cricket.
To Kenya & East Africa, really that what you hyping teams who were minnows? Ha smh.He was past his best by the time he made his test debut at 35. His exploits in coloured cricket is stuff of legends. He was considered the greatest Coloured cricketers and faced two international teams as their captain. He also made 80 centuries as coloured cricketer in SA. Most of his career we know of as a FC and test cricketer happened in his 30s. My point is not that he would make the SA XI. My point is that if Richards should, he should too as he was also considered pretty damn good when he played cricket in the 20s in SA. His exploits are stuff of legends.
I get your point perfectly, it makes no sense. So you can stay believing based on your shocking reasoning that Basil has a similar claim to Richards to be considered for a SA ATXI. I'm done here since I've reached the 3 post debate limit.You don't get my point at all aussie. Any ways.
Ha good trolling, loving your obsession with me ATM & usual attempts to stay away from a cricket discussion, that you are all up in my profile and all my posts, liking and digging posts from 10 years ago. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not that into you *****...