Doug Walters vs David Warner

[sayon basak]

Close?

 

[BazBall21]

Hayden v Walters would be close

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hayden v Walters would be close

Would had been had Hayden not been an Opener.

 

[sayon basak]

Would had been had Hayden not been an Opener.

I at first thought he said Haynes.

 

[BazBall21]

Would had been had Hayden not been an Opener.

They were very similar. Both played spin well, regularly put attacks to the sword on hard flattish wickets and struggled in English conditions.

Hayden wins narrowly because of his beastly conversion rate.

 

[sayon basak]

They were very similar. Both played spin well, regularly put attacks to the sword on hard flattish wickets and struggled in English conditions.

Hayden wins narrowly because of his beastly conversion rate.

Walters is probably one of the greatest batters of off spin.

 

[Johan]

Walters was excellent against spin and in Australian conditions, Warner kind of an FTB in comparison.

 

[capt_Luffy]

They were very similar. Both played spin well, regularly put attacks to the sword on hard flattish wickets and struggled in English conditions.

Hayden wins narrowly because of his beastly conversion rate.

As I said, Hayden being an opener and Walters coming regularly at 5/6 kinda tilts it; especially given both had a weakness to movement.

 

[Johan]

As I said, Hayden being an opener and Walters coming regularly at 5/6 kinda tilts it; especially given both had a weakness to movement.

don't ya value longevity

 

[capt_Luffy]

don't ya value longevity

Walters played a year longer.

 

[Johan]

Walters played a year longer.

Yeah but Doug was a regular from 1965 to 1977, 12 years, and came back to play full time 2 more, while Hayden only played 1 game each in 94-95, then 5 in 97, them got dropped again for two years and was only full time for 9 times from 2000-2009

 

[BazBall21]

As I said, Hayden being an opener and Walters coming regularly at 5/6 kinda tilts it; especially given both had a weakness to movement.

Their fundamental strengths and weaknesses would remain the same if they swapped positions and are already well conveyed in their records. Walters would do well opening on 2000s Australian tracks. Hayden would struggle in England in the middle order in the 70s. The South African attack Walters struggled against was very strong. Both men were good on spinning tracks.

Hayden is ahead, but it's close. Definitely closer than Warner v Walters.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but Doug was a regular from 1965 to 1977, 12 years, and came back to play full time 2 more, while Hayden only played 1 game each in 94-95, then 5 in 97, them got dropped again for two years and was only full time for 9 times from 2000-2009

Walters slightly ahead on longevity definitely. But still, 15 to 16 and both got dropped for 2 years. Between 65-67 Walters played 5 matches then a year drop as well. 12 years to 10 years going by 68-77+81,82 and 2000-09. Don't think a huge factor here really.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Their fundamental strengths and weaknesses would remain the same if they swapped positions and are already well conveyed in their records. Walters would do well opening on 2000s Australian tracks. Hayden would struggle in England in the middle order in the 70s. The South African attack Walters struggled against was very strong. Both men were good on spinning tracks.

Hayden is ahead, but it's close. Definitely closer than Warner v Walters.

It's definitely close, significantly closer than Walters vs Warner which isn't close; but had Walters opened I definitely think his average will drop a couple points atleast given his strength. They had similar strengths, but I think Walters' weaknesses were more pronounced.

 

[vidiq]

@Gob
Do you consider david Warner among your top 15 batsman ?

 

[Johan]

Walters slightly ahead on longevity definitely. But still, 15 to 16 and both got dropped for 2 years. Between 65-67 Walters played 5 matches then a year drop as well. 12 years to 10 years going by 68-77+81,82 and 2000-09. Don't think a huge factor here really.

My brother in the name of Christ he was not dropped, he got conscripted and thus happened to miss 1967 and only played the 1965-66 Ashes, averaged 68, made 2 hundreds and 1 fifty in just 7 innings.

 

[Johan]

It's definitely close, significantly closer than Walters vs Warner which isn't close, but had Walters opened I definitely think his average will drop a couple points atleast given his strength. They had similar strengths, but I think Walters' weaknesses were more pronounced.

You voted it's close though

 

[BazBall21]

It's definitely close, significantly closer than Walters vs Warner which isn't close; but had Walters opened I definitely think his average will drop a couple points atleast given his strength. They had similar strengths, but I think Walters' weaknesses were more pronounced.

He'd definitely average less if he opened, but it would be in the midst of a tougher set of conditions and playing a lower percentage of his cricket in prime years.

 

[capt_Luffy]

My brother in the name of Christ he was not dropped, he got conscripted and thus happened to miss 1967 and only played the 1965-66 Ashes, averaged 68, made 2 hundreds and 1 fifty in just 7 innings.

So early career Walters did Great, definitely a plus. But he still played one series in his first 3 years of intl Cricket. Don't think overall his longevity case is that strong really.

 

[Gob]

@Gob
Do you consider david Warner among your top 15 batsman ?

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