Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
Two certified ATGs. But who is Australia's third best test bowler of all time?
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Dennis Lillee vs Bill O'Reilly
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Johan
Hall of Fame Member
The Indomitable Tiger O'Reilly.
The Bottom line is that Tiger gave less runs, took more wickets on average and he did it during the golden age of English batting and the hardest era of bowling. Lillee mostly bullied a rapidly declining English batting unit on very lively bowler friendly wickets, in both Australia and England. The Bottom line is that Lillee had a far easier job, in both opposition and conditions and he still did a worse job than Tiger, rest is all hogwash.
Also, a pretty rare case, as Tiger beats Lillee even on peer reputation, hype and aura.
The Bottom line is that Tiger gave less runs, took more wickets on average and he did it during the golden age of English batting and the hardest era of bowling. Lillee mostly bullied a rapidly declining English batting unit on very lively bowler friendly wickets, in both Australia and England. The Bottom line is that Lillee had a far easier job, in both opposition and conditions and he still did a worse job than Tiger, rest is all hogwash.
Also, a pretty rare case, as Tiger beats Lillee even on peer reputation, hype and aura.
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Al Salvador
Cricket Spectator
I have no doubt in my mind that alongside MD Marshall, Tiger O'Reilly is the greatest bowler of all time. Although DKL was almost as good as anyone really. Just got less chances away.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Always the best way, otherwise you’re letting other people affect your initial opinion.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
Warne > O'Reilly
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
To be fair, he has O'Reilly in the GOAT argument.
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
I think that's fair, I rate O'Reilly higher than I used to as well... But not above Warne for me still
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
O’Reilly. Lillee doesn’t crack the top 5.
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
Lindwall and Davidson or Cummins?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Lindwall and Davidson.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Before Warne took the throne, in Australia, who was rated as the best Australian bowler? has to be between these two and Lindwall right?
Also, I'd have loved to see Lillee bowl to actual 1960s England, maybe 67 Ashes where the lineup had Boycott/Edrich/Barrington/Cowdrey/Graveney or early 60s with Barrington/Cowdrey/Dexter or even 66-67 one with Boycott/Edrich/Cowdrey/Barrington. Instead he bowled to way, way weaker ones.
Also, I'd have loved to see Lillee bowl to actual 1960s England, maybe 67 Ashes where the lineup had Boycott/Edrich/Barrington/Cowdrey/Graveney or early 60s with Barrington/Cowdrey/Dexter or even 66-67 one with Boycott/Edrich/Cowdrey/Barrington. Instead he bowled to way, way weaker ones.
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
Lillee is in it
DrWolverine
International Vice-Captain
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Not really, No. Both Barnes and O'Reilly if anything had higher reputation when they retired and for years to follow, and like everyone else, Lillee's reputation mellowed out some by now as well.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
I think Tiger was rated similarly at his time.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Lillee would average closer to 30. He legit does 27 to WI and 30 to Pak, the two teams with the best batting of his era he played regularly.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah that English batting is also very strong, imagine if Boycott and Barrington from both ends got going together lol, Lillee would die running in all day.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
I will personally argue Shane Warne has higher reputation minus India, not that Lillee has much rep in Asia in general, I think Warne would be rated above everywhere both him and Lillee played bar maybe West Indies