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Players who went up or down in your judgement after going through their records
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Doug, from Asquith.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Up: Peter May, Eddie Barlow, BJ Watling, Hugh Tayfield, Fazal Mahmood
Down: Virender Sehwag, Frank Woolley, Les Ames, Abdul Qadir, Waqar Younis
Down: Virender Sehwag, Frank Woolley, Les Ames, Abdul Qadir, Waqar Younis
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Very important one. Woolley’s reputation iirc was much built on his FC performance, which fair enough.
Johan
International Coach
I'm only gonna mention deepdives I did that were somewhat influenced by this forum.
Went–Up
Went–Up
- Hebert Sutcliffe
- Denis Compton (not in Cricketing terms);
- Maurice Leyland
- Harold Larwood
- Everton Weekes
- Frank Worrell
- Michael Holding
- Lance Gibbs
- Vijay Hazare
- Vijay Merchant
- Fazal Mahmood
- Tiger O'Reilly
- Viv Richards
- Fred Trueman
- Dennis Lillee
- Imran Khan
- Sunil Gavaskar
- Shane Warne
- Allan Border
- Steve Waugh
- Virat Kohli
- Javed Miandad
- Waqar Younis
- James Anderson
- Tony Lock (way down we go)
- Shaun Pollock
- Brian Lara
- Allan Donald
- Mitchell Starc
- Maurice Tate
- Kumar Sangakkara
- AB De Villiers
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I’ll forgive the rest of your list for Sutcliffe topping it.
Johan
International Coach
I mean, Jimmy is in the went-down category too, definitely more than one redeeming factor.
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Up
Imran Khan (I always associated him with the other three but he’s slightly differentiated)
Richard Hadlee (for much the same reason)
Len Hutton (he was always just a name to me, until you realize just how good he was)
Ravindra Jadeja (never really rated him until people on this board pointed him out to me)
Dudley Nourse (the ATG bat no one discusses)
Allan Border (should be compared to Richards for the era)
Down
Dennis Lillee (still great but not the GOAT)
Dennis Compton
Ian Botham (always rated him equal to Imran until you see the numbers)
Kapil Dev (still my favorite player and still an ATG but not as good as I thought he wa statistically)
Imran Khan (I always associated him with the other three but he’s slightly differentiated)
Richard Hadlee (for much the same reason)
Len Hutton (he was always just a name to me, until you realize just how good he was)
Ravindra Jadeja (never really rated him until people on this board pointed him out to me)
Dudley Nourse (the ATG bat no one discusses)
Allan Border (should be compared to Richards for the era)
Down
Dennis Lillee (still great but not the GOAT)
Dennis Compton
Ian Botham (always rated him equal to Imran until you see the numbers)
Kapil Dev (still my favorite player and still an ATG but not as good as I thought he wa statistically)
Up
Imran Khan (I always associated him with the other three but he’s slightly differentiated)
Richard Hadlee (for much the same reason)
Len Hutton (he was always just a name to me, until you realize just how good he was)
Ravindra Jadeja (never really rated him until people on this board pointed him out to me)
Dudley Nourse (the ATG bat no one discusses)
Allan Border (should be compared to Richards for the era)
Down
Dennis Lillee (still great but not the GOAT)
Dennis Compton
Ian Botham (always rated him equal to Imran until you see the numbers, still infredible)
Kapil Dev (still my favorite player and still an ATG but not as good as I thought he wa statistically)
Imran Khan (I always associated him with the other three but he’s slightly differentiated)
Richard Hadlee (for much the same reason)
Len Hutton (he was always just a name to me, until you realize just how good he was)
Ravindra Jadeja (never really rated him until people on this board pointed him out to me)
Dudley Nourse (the ATG bat no one discusses)
Allan Border (should be compared to Richards for the era)
Down
Dennis Lillee (still great but not the GOAT)
Dennis Compton
Ian Botham (always rated him equal to Imran until you see the numbers, still infredible)
Kapil Dev (still my favorite player and still an ATG but not as good as I thought he wa statistically)
mackembhoy
International Regular
Shaun Pollock this place underrates him without a doubt.
Seeing how Bumrah had claimed his record for lowest average after X games.
His batting average makes him more than credible as an all rounder.
Doesn't get put in the same terms as Hadlee,Dev,Botham and Imran and IMO that's somewhat unfair.
Seeing how Bumrah had claimed his record for lowest average after X games.
His batting average makes him more than credible as an all rounder.
Doesn't get put in the same terms as Hadlee,Dev,Botham and Imran and IMO that's somewhat unfair.
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ataraxia
International Coach
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I still rate Woolley higher than most (around Stokes overall) since I really rate FC for people back his time, but neither his Test not his FC record does his batting reputation much justice. And his bowling in Tests doesn't even qualify as a full blown allrounder. Now thinking back at it, Greig would be a better fit with 28 FC batting average and 5 year long Test career.
I am not a total idiot, but I like to stir the pot sometimes and I find this board too consensus oriented
Agree but I saw him at his prime and never underrated him. As an opponent he was scarier than Donald with that accuracy
Johan
International Coach
amazing lore, from equal to Hutton to below Jayawardene.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
When did I ever say Jayawardene was above him?
Johan
International Coach
Johan
International Coach
weak bait. Compton is definitely the type of Cricketer you'd rate though.
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I also rate Jayawardene. I probably rate both higher than most.