The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Coronis]

I think Hobbs is without doubt the greatest opener ever, still not picking him for a team to take the field ever.

Very very smart and logical position to take

 

[Fuller Pilch]

McGrath pre 2000 is an interesting pick too.

I wouldn't even put him in my 20th century Aus XI (would pick Warne though):

6-11 would be:

Miller
Healy
Lindwall/Davidson
Warne
O'Reilly
Lillee

 

[kyear2]

McGrath pre 2000 is an interesting pick too.

I wouldn't even put him in my 20th century Aus XI (would pick Warne though):

6-11 would be:

Miller
Healy
Lindwall/Davidson
Warne
O'Reilly
Lillee

Think was just going on a debut basis. Didn't delve too much into it.

 

[kyear2]

Very very smart and logical position to take

About as logical as thinking the only way to justify picks you disagree with must be on the basis of diversity?

 

[honestbharani]

I would put Lara instead of Viv and have him bat 4 and Sachin 5 but otherwise a good side that Kimber has there.

 

[Coronis]

About as logical as thinking the only way to justify picks you disagree with must be on the basis of diversity?

That was a joke, mate

 

[sayon basak]

About as logical as thinking the only way to justify picks you disagree with must be on the basis of diversity?

maybe Kimber thinks that Barry is the greatest opener of all time, but still not gonna pick him.

 

[Red]

Kimber and Lloyd is a fun podcast thing but strange opinions and they don’t go into much depth about anything.

Recent one was best bowling quartets ever and they talked about the WIs 80s pace vs McGrath/Warne et al.

Mentioned briefly Trueman/Statham/Laker/Lock, Hoggard/Harmison/Jones/Flintoff and Boult/Southee/Wagner/Jamieson, but didn’t mention either of:

Wasim/Waqar/Imran/Qadir
or
Lindwall/Miller/Davidson/Benaud, or the Invinsibles with Lindwall/Miller/Johnston/Johnson/Ring

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hoggard/Harmison/Jones/Flintoff and Boult/Southee/Wagner/Jamieson

Surely there are several dozen better than these ones

 

[kyear2]

maybe Kimber thinks that Barry is the greatest opener of all time, but still not gonna pick him.

I don't even think he's the greatest. Well behind Hobbs and Hutton from that metric.

 

[Red]

I mean the quartet conversations makes it interesting but there’s:

Lillee, Thommo, Walker and Mallett, plus the Chappells and Walters

or

Lindwall, Miller, Toshack, OReilly

Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Ramahdin, Valentine

and more recently Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja and Ashwin

Aust McWarne era and the WIs 80s are prob best but leaving out the Pak attack is a huge oversight

 

[kyear2]

Kimber and Lloyd is a fun podcast thing but strange opinions and they don’t go into much depth about anything.

Recent one was best bowling quartets ever and they talked about the WIs 80s pace vs McGrath/Warne et al.

Mentioned briefly Trueman/Statham/Laker/Lock, Hoggard/Harmison/Jones/Flintoff and Boult/Southee/Wagner/Jamieson, but didn’t mention either of:

Wasim/Waqar/Imran/Qadir
or
Lindwall/Miller/Davidson/Benaud, or the Invinsibles with Lindwall/Miller/Johnston/Johnson/Ring

Posted that podcast above as well.

Yeah, they did go onto detail on the top two referenced, but yeah they did omit the others.

They seem to shoot off the hip rather than prepared presentations, but still full of useful information.

 

[kyear2]

I mean the quartet conversations makes it interesting but there’s:

Lillee, Thommo, Walker and Mallett, plus the Chappells and Walters

or

Lindwall, Miller, Toshack, OReilly

Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Ramahdin, Valentine

and more recently Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja and Ashwin

Aust McWarne era and the WIs 80s are prob best but leaving out the Pak attack is a huge oversight

Not saying toukre wrong, but the Pakistani pacers never really hit their peaks remotely at the same time.

 

[Red]

Not saying toukre wrong, but the Pakistani pacers never really hit their peaks remotely at the same time.

Wasim and Waqar peaked at similar times, and Imran and Qadir were good

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean the quartet conversations makes it interesting but there’s:

Lillee, Thommo, Walker and Mallett, plus the Chappells and Walters

or

Lindwall, Miller, Toshack, OReilly

Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Ramahdin, Valentine

and more recently Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja and Ashwin

Aust McWarne era and the WIs 80s are prob best but leaving out the Pak attack is a huge oversight

Surely the current Aus attack is among the top tier

 

[Coronis]

I mean the quartet conversations makes it interesting but there’s:

Lillee, Thommo, Walker and Mallett, plus the Chappells and Walters

or

Lindwall, Miller, Toshack, OReilly

Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Ramahdin, Valentine

and more recently Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja and Ashwin

Aust McWarne era and the WIs 80s are prob best but leaving out the Pak attack is a huge oversight

In an ideal world Lindwall/Miller/Johnston/O’Reilly would’ve been perfect.

3 great pacers, great spinner, and one of those pacers can switch to spin depending on the conditions.

Timing wasn’t quite there though

 

[peterhrt]

Kimber and Lloyd is a fun podcast thing but strange opinions and they don’t go into much depth about anything.

Recent one was best bowling quartets ever and they talked about the WIs 80s pace vs McGrath/Warne et al.

Mentioned briefly Trueman/Statham/Laker/Lock, Hoggard/Harmison/Jones/Flintoff and Boult/Southee/Wagner/Jamieson

Trueman, Statham, Laker and Lock played a total of 4 Test matches together. England didn't win any of them.

Combined bowling figures were 44 wickets at an average of 35.68. Only Laker averaged under thirty.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Trueman, Statham, Laker and Lock played a total of 4 Test matches together. England didn't win any of them.

Combined bowling figures were 44 wickets at an average of 35.68. Only Laker averaged under thirty.

Tbf, feel there were a few better bowlers than Lock back then. Wardle being one imo.

 

[peterhrt]

England did not lose a series between March 1951 and August 1958. They won 31 matches during that time, usually picking five bowlers.

The bowlers featuring in most Test wins are shown below (total appearances during that period in brackets):

21 - Bailey (46)
18 - Statham (40), Laker (33)
14 - Wardle (26), Lock (25), Trueman (21)
9 - Bedser (20)
8 - Tyson (13), Appleyard (9)
6 - Loader (11)
5 - Tattersall (14)

These 11 bowlers were also the leading wicket-takers overall during the period in question.

Tyson 67@16, Laker 146@17, Appleyard 31@17, Bedser 106@19, Lock 105@19, Wardle 100@19, Trueman 90@21, Loader 32@21, Tattersall 54@23, Statham 130@24, Bailey 95@28.

The most successful combination was Tyson, Statham, Bailey, Appleyard and Wardle, which took part in six wins, three of them in Australia.

 

[kyear2]

England did not lose a series between March 1951 and August 1958. They won 31 matches during that time, usually picking five bowlers.

The bowlers featuring in most Test wins are shown below (total appearances during that period in brackets):

21 - Bailey (46)
18 - Statham (40), Laker (33)
14 - Wardle (26), Lock (25), Trueman (21)
9 - Bedser (20)
8 - Tyson (13), Appleyard (9)
6 - Loader (11)
5 - Tattersall (14)

These 11 bowlers were also the leading wicket-takers overall during the period in question.

Tyson 67@16, Laker 146@17, Appleyard 31@17, Bedser 106@19, Lock 105@19, Wardle 100@19, Trueman 90@21, Loader 32@21, Tattersall 54@23, Statham 130@24, Bailey 95@28.

The most successful combination was Tyson, Statham, Bailey, Appleyard and Wardle, which took part in six wins, three of them in Australia.

That's very insightful, top tier as usual.

Recently I was trying to rank the greatest teams in history and had the '53 England team I think 4th or 5th.

But what do you think was the best English team and lineup (that took the field together) from that period?