All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[Thala_0710]

I think Tate should make it before Asif.

I'll take Asif before him. I think ppl underrate just how exceptional those series were in SL, Nz etc

 

[Johan]

Tate is just Philander who can bat better no

 

[Thala_0710]

Tate is just Philander who can bat better no

I rate Asif similar to Philander and Tate a bit lower than both. Larwood at a slightly higher level

 

[Johan]

anyway, I think Bedser should and will beat out Asif or Tate or Vern for third pacer here

 

[Thala_0710]

anyway, I think Bedser should and will beat out Asif or Tate or Vern for third pacer here

Yeah agree on that

 

[Thala_0710]

Tate is just Philander who can bat better no

Also, is Tate better with the bat?

 

[Thala_0710]

I'd have Tate slightly higher but not a big gap probably. Philander avgs 30 vs Aus and Eng with the bat

 

[Johan]

Also, is Tate better with the bat?

by a little

 

[Johan]

I just rate Tate for the classic line

"Maurice Tate, with seemingly no help from the pitch...."

 

[Thala_0710]

I just rate Tate for the classic line

"Maurice Tate, with seemingly no help from the pitch...."

In every other way he's philanderesque. In the most important one, they're widely different

 

[capt_Luffy]

I ain't voting for Asif before Shami.

 

[Thala_0710]

I ain't voting for Asif before Shami.

Voting for Shami over Asif is like voting for Anderson over Steyn

 

[capt_Luffy]

Voting for Shami over Asif is like voting for Anderson over Steyn

Steyn was a fixer??

 

[Thala_0710]

Steyn was a fixer??

Akhtar did chuck sometimes, and many others who've been voted in did ball tampering... If that's no issue, why is this such a big one

 

[capt_Luffy]

Akhtar did chuck sometimes, and many others who've been voted in did ball tampering... If that's no issue, why is this such a big one

You Chuck trying to win, you fix trying to loose. I can overlook chucking a few or tampering a bit without much hassle. But if you don't want to win, I don't consider you much of a sportsperson

 

[Thala_0710]

You Chuck trying to win, you fix trying to loose. I can overlook chucking a few or tampering a bit without much hassle. But if you don't want to win, I don't consider you much of a sportsperson

Yeah I can't agree to the first part. I'll either overlook both or neither

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah I can't agree to the first part. I'll either overlook both or neither

I don't agree with that, at all. Cheating to win and cheating to lose aren't close morally for me

 

[Thala_0710]

I don't agree with that, at all. Cheating to win and cheating to lose aren't close morally for me

Yeah, for me cheating is cheating. If you are cheating to win it doesn't count either.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, for me cheating is cheating. If you are cheating to win it doesn't count either.

I just can't rate them the same morally. Atleast in one case you are trying to win. Scummy yes, but still it's for your team. Like when Suarez kept the goal vs Ghana. In the other you want your team to loose for personal gain. That's something enough to disqualify someone as a sportsperson.

 

[Thala_0710]

I just can't rate them the same morally. Atleast in one case you are trying to win. Scummy yes, but still it's for your team. Like when Suarez kept the goal vs Ghana. In the other you want your team to loose for personal gain. That's something enough to disqualify someone as a sportsperson.

Suarez vs Ghana wasn't cheating though. That's totally separate. He didn't violate any rules. Smith using sandpaper or others deliberately ball tampering is different.