subshakerz
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Three greatest ODI pace bowlers. What is your ranking of them?
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Wasim vs McGrath vs Garner
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subshakerz
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My issue with him is career sample size. McGrath just did it in a tougher era and both Wasim and he did it for a much longer time.
Thala_0710
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Always find it to separate McGrath and Garner in odis... McGrath > Garner just...
Wasim is close but a clear third for me
Wasim is close but a clear third for me
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Thala_0710
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Even if you account for the tougher era, Garner's stats are still better actually... The longevity and brilliant WC record is why I have McGrath just over Garner
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Sure but he was exceptional.but in an era of easy ODI bowling and many getting worldclass figures.
Thala_0710
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Yeah but the point is he still stood out from everyone else... It's like someone averaging 60+ in tests in the 2000s or early 2010s...like Steve Smith was
Thala_0710
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I think I could try to give the discount factor a shot for ODIs as well.... Any ideas could something analogous be done for economy rate as well?
Prince EWS
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Garner for his batting > McGrath > Wasim
subshakerz
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I think it was easier to stand out in that era with ODIs in their infancy.
Thala_0710
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I agree with that point definitely, especially with not many teams taking it super seriously either... Like they were from 90s-2010s
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Yeah. We could use this point against Viv too but he still deserves credit for being a trailblazer and ODI bowling quality was still quite good.
Thala_0710
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I do use this against Viv too, but both him and Garner are exceptional either way though
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Also you had bats like Gavsaskar and Boycott clearly not suited to the game and less consensus on how to bat properly. Fairly easier to be restrictive in that environment
Thala_0710
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Agree more so on Boycott.... Gavaskar actually got quite decent by the time he really took it seriously... In 1987 (his retirement year) he smashed what was the second fastest ODI ton ever at that time...
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Yeah it had advanced by that point with the 87 WC but Garner was gone I think.
Silver Silva
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McGrath for his 3 world cup wins , being the highest ODI wicket taker in world cups , just unstoppable.
capt_Luffy
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Gavaskar's stats aren't actually bad for his Era. His SR is the same as Greenidge and Haynes and averages 35 IIRC. The 36* was really an anomaly, at a time no one had a proper idea what the ODIs actually were.
Thala_0710
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Yup, all of that.... Which reminds me..... Odi XIs next after the World XIs are done?