All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[Fuller Pilch]

I don't see the point of either Miller or Kallis in this side despite their greatness as ARs as there is already a decent enough 4th seamer in Hammond. This makes Hammond a 6th bowler so a bit superfluous. I think Miller would have been most useful if BOTH spin options (Murali and O'Reilly) were in the XI.

I think Border or G Pollock as lefthanders would have offered more.

 

[morgieb]

4 of Hammond's doubles come against Australia and 1 against India who had two respectable pacemen, 2 against New Zealand might be the only ones that can be called minnows.

Though those Australian attacks were rubbish outside of one gun leggie. Fair few roads amongst them too.

 

[Johan]

Though those Australian attacks were rubbish outside of one gun leggie. Fair few roads amongst them too.

one against Ironmonger and Grimmett

one against Grimmett and some FC guys, not entire test careers but some stellar FC careers.

two against O'Reilly

Lara def has his doublies against better overall units though, I don't think Hammond made many against minnows, but then again I don't think Hammond played any minnows other than New Zealand.

 

[Thala_0710]

14-12 now, Kallis vs Miller getting very very close

 

[subshakerz]

I don't see the point of either Miller or Kallis in this side despite their greatness as ARs as there is already a decent enough 4th seamer in Hammond. This makes Hammond a 6th bowler so a bit superfluous. I think Miller would have been most useful if BOTH spin options (Murali and O'Reilly) were in the XI.

I think Border or G Pollock as lefthanders would have offered more.

Fuller, if I may, Barnes is practically a second spin option with Murali. Hence Miller offers something new and different to the attack. I agree with you that Kallis is superfluous with Hammond. Please do reconsider.

 

[subshakerz]

IDK. Think I might agree with the people who are picking the WK based on the AR.

That also makes sense. I am leaning Sanga with the assumption Miller can make it through.

 

[Johan]

I'm thinking this

Sutcliffe
Gavaskar
Hammond
Smith
Lara
Walcott+
Miller
Imran*
Ambrose
Barnes
Murali

this just looks so good

 

[morgieb]

That also makes sense. I am leaning Sanga with the assumption Miller can make it through.

I think if you were picking one as a keeper I think Walcott is the better option. Was a better keeper (mind you Sanga did spend his keeping career keeping to the selected spinner...) and spent a lot of time batting 5 while Sanga was a pure #3.

 

[kyear2]

Except of course on Day 1 and 2 when Murali is not going to be as effective, or on green seamers, etc.

If you want a relief bowler, you already have Hammond.

If you want a high quality pace quartet, you pick Miller.

How often do you change your mouth?


In this very thread where I suggested that Sobers would come on for a few overs 2nd change of, or to see if it's swinging, you insisted Warne must be on 2nd change.

Now neither would be effective before day 3?

Kallis / Knott

Better batting, sufficient bowling and far superior keeping.

And again, Barnes is in the XI and to boot, keeping impacted Sanga's batting, so not getting the best out of his either.

 

[kyear2]

Fuller, if I may, Barnes is practically a second spin option with Murali. Hence Miller offers something new and different to the attack. I agree with you that Kallis is superfluous with Hammond. Please do reconsider.

You're begging now, wtf.

 

[subshakerz]

How often do you change your mouth?


In this very thread where I suggested that Sobers would come on for a few overs 2nd change of, or to see if it's swinging, you insisted Warne must be on 2nd change.

Now neither would be effective before day 3?

Yeah they wouldn't be as effective in firs thalf of games and YOU yourself have admitted as much.

Kallis / Knott

Better batting, sufficient bowling and far superior keeping.

Kallis the dog over bowler isn't really needed.

Why suffice with sufficient bowling when you can have the best attack for all surfaces imaginable?

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'm not confident Barnes was even a proper pacer in the way we classify them in the modern era. Which is why I want Miller in.

 

[subshakerz]

I think if you were picking one as a keeper I think Walcott is the better option. Was a better keeper (mind you Sanga did spend his keeping career keeping to the selected spinner...) and spent a lot of time batting 5 while Sanga was a pure #3.

Walcott I am considering because according to @kyear2 he was excellent against spin.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm not confident Barnes was even a proper pacer in the way we classify them in the modern era. Which is why I want Miller in.

I reckon Barnes was a max mid late 70s MPH bowler. Otherwise it's physically impossible for him to get the sort of revs they are talking about.

 

[kyear2]

I think if you were picking one as a keeper I think Walcott is the better option. Was a better keeper (mind you Sanga did spend his keeping career keeping to the selected spinner...) and spent a lot of time batting 5 while Sanga was a pure #3.

Yeah, don't think Sanga is good enough a keeper for the 2nd team, and his batting fell off a cliff when he did.

That's just the worst of both worlds.

 

[kyear2]

Walcott I am considering because according to @kyear2 he was excellent against spin.

@JBMAC has often commented on how good Walcott was.

But also from everything I've read, he was at the least a world class keeper

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Fuller, if I may, Barnes is practically a second spin option with Murali. Hence Miller offers something new and different to the attack.

That's fair. I'd still rather have more batting though.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I'm thinking this

Sutcliffe
Gavaskar
Hammond
Smith
Lara
Walcott+
Miller
Imran*
Ambrose
Barnes
Murali

this just looks so good

Major problem. There is only 1 left hand bat in the top 8.

 

[subshakerz]

Major problem. There is only 1 left hand bat in the top 8.

Then go for Sanga.

 

[kyear2]

But to be clear, and again, the down playing of the primary role and functioning of the wicket keeper position is crazy.