All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[subshakerz]

Jeez. This thread has gone through many stages already. Discussion of the players being picked, absolute utter trash, discussion of the players being picked, pressuring others who to vote for in the future to suit one person’s agenda, who knows what will come next.

Last few pages of discussion would’ve been if L&L’s ranking threads had been filled with copypastas from comparison threads during each vote.

Dude get off your soapbox and lighten up.

 

[Johan]

Not. Asked on the sheer number who voted for him in their ATG XIs that Peterhrt shared.

didn't you have a thread on this matter? can you link it?

 

[subshakerz]

Sanga was a decent keeper, I think we've forgotten this is an AT XI, the 2nd team at that. Sanga has never shown the capability to stand up to a medium pacer, Knott meanwhile was a master to Underwood.

The proposed move, weakens the top order, even with Sanga, because with the gloves he's not touching Kallis's production.

It weakens the keeping, that not disputable.

And all for 10 overs that Miller might get with the old ball.

And why, because Subz doesn't want Kallis in the 2nd team, presumably with Imran?

Seriously now.

I don't care about Kallis, I am genuinely excited about the prospect of an ATG XI with a pace quartet in Miller.

Bro, I mean it.

 

[subshakerz]

didn't you have a thread on this matter? can you link it?

This was the count based on a 100 ATG XIs and who appeared most

Openers:

59 - Gavaskar
26 - Greenidge
21 - Hutton
18 - Barry Richards
14 - Hobbs
7 - Morris
5 - Hanif Mohammad, Hayden
4 - Haynes, Sehwag
3 - Boycott, Hunte
2 - Herbert Sutcliffe
1 - Goddard, Gary Kirsten, Lawry, McGlew, Saeed Anwar, Bob Simpson, Mark Taylor

 

[Johan]

This was the count based on a 100 ATG XIs and who appeared most

ugh now he'll got on about how Barry is >>> Sutcliffe.

 

[subshakerz]

You spike about me and Hadlee, but you're actively campaigning against Kallis.

Hammond is more of a 6th bowler than a 5th option and the volumes required.

And it's easier to drop down than to go up the order, and Kallis was adaptable when he wanted to be.

Kallis wasn't that adaptable to be a specialist lower order bat. His style didn't suit it

 

[Johan]

how can anyone in their right mind vote Graeme Smith I wonder

 

[subshakerz]

ugh now he'll got on about how Barry is >>> Sutcliffe.

Obviously it's 70s/80s/90s era judge concentrated so I wouldn't worry about the prewar numbers.

 

[Johan]

Obviously it's 70s/80s/90s era judge concentrated so I wouldn't worry about the prewar numbers.

Yeah guessed as much.

 

[subshakerz]

Surprised by a number of O Reilly votes over Murali.

 

[DrWolverine]

And Barring is another that we rate higher than he was during his time or after retirement.

Nothing wrong imo.

Barrington’s boring and ultra defensive style of batting was not popular and he is being recognised for his records which is imo.

 

[Johan]

Surprised by a number of O Reilly votes over Murali.

well deserved

 

[Randomfan]

No. Winning is a metric. Winning games when X played is a shitty metric.

Some metric can be proof and some can be evidence. You are not able to see the difference between evidence and proof. Anyway never mind.

 

[DrWolverine]

Surprised by a number of O Reilly votes over Murali.

For some reason he is neither loved or respected

 

[Johan]

I guarantee that all the O'Reilly voters have Murali really high, but O'Reilly is just that guy tbh, the criticism for Murali and Warne is that they were dangerously futile on flat pitches against ATG batting lineups, O'Reilly on the other hand carved his career bowling to one of the strongest batting units in history on 2000s level roads, in a sense he excels where the other two spinners faltered.

 

[subshakerz]

I guarantee that all the O'Reilly voters have Murali really high, but O'Reilly is just that guy tbh, the criticism for Murali and Warne is that they were dangerously futile on flat pitches against ATG batting lineups, O'Reilly on the other hand carved his career bowling to one of the strongest batting units in history on 2000s level roads, in a sense he excels where the other two spinners faltered.

Hopefully if we get a pace quartet the spinner can be an afterthought.

 

[DrWolverine]

I do not get the logic of selecting O’Reilly who played only against England & SouthAfrica in 1930s over Muralitharan(or Warne).

 

[Johan]

I explained, he dominated one of the strongest batting generations in history in the flattest generation bar the 2000s, and even then it's debateable what was flatter between Interwar period and the noughties, that's the appeal of Tiger, I have Warne and Murali over Tiger but it's not a terrible take.

 

[subshakerz]

I explained, he dominated one of the strongest batting generations in history in the flattest generation bar the 2000s, and even then it's debateable what was flatter between Interwar period and the noughties, that's the appeal of Tiger, I have Warne and Murali over Tiger but it's not a terrible take.

Both Warne and Murali are going to get owned for at least half the game until it's 3rd or 4th innings or a day 1 turner.

 

[DrWolverine]

O’Reilly played 27 Tests in 7 years against 2 teams and is recognised as arguably the best spinner

Ken Barrington played 80 Tests across 9 years against 6 teams in diverse conditions and emerged with an extraordinary record but is still ignored.

@subshakerz
@Coronis

Is there any specific reason apart from his style being boring and he did not have a great peer reputation back when he played?