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*Official* South Africa Test Tour of Zimbabwe 2025

kykweer.proteas

International Debutant
Wow, your team literally won a WTC title last month. That's probably a bit harsh.

I agree it's a poor decision, but I don't think it speaks to anything about this side which is a genuine world powerhouse in Tests.
That's just the thing, they just won the wtc, why should they feel less worthy than anyone else to hold records.

It would have been a different story had Mulder been blocking it and scoring the last 100 runs at a SR of 30.

Lara will always be a legend. Why can't there be new legends?
 

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
also does anyone else find his statement a bit disrespectful towards the zimbabwe team, that they are not "good enough" to have their name as the opposition for the worlds highest batsman score?

if I were from ZIM, i'd be fuming at that statement, espicially if i were one of the bowlers

a kick in the teeth
Mulder did not mean to disrespect anyone, the decision that was made is hard to justify and is going to upset someone no matter what he said.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If you go and look at the test average that english attack lara made is 400 is closer to this zim one then what people would like to admit. Only simon jones ended with a sub 30 average of those who bowled in that game.
That was a really flat deck that Lara scored that 400 on too. Wasn't even close to getting a result in that match in the end, even if England were rolled cheaply in their first reply (probably in no small part to having fielded for over 200 overs).
 

Chubb

International Regular
I am old enough to remember Hayden getting slammed for taking the record off Lara against Zimbabwe.

Mulder was in a lose-lose situation here. Take it and he's disrespectful, don't take it and he's a coward.

FWIW the Zimbos who played against Hayden in that game didn't think it was disrespectful, they were just annoyed they didn't get him out.
 

Silver Silva

International Vice-Captain
I am old enough to remember Hayden getting slammed for taking the record off Lara against Zimbabwe.

Mulder was in a lose-lose situation here. Take it and he's disrespectful, don't take it and he's a coward.

FWIW the Zimbos who played against Hayden in that game didn't think it was disrespectful, they were just annoyed they didn't get him out.
Those who felt Mulder would have been disrespectful to score more runs didn't really respect him in the first place.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
I am old enough to remember Hayden getting slammed for taking the record off Lara against Zimbabwe.

Mulder was in a lose-lose situation here. Take it and he's disrespectful, don't take it and he's a coward.

FWIW the Zimbos who played against Hayden in that game didn't think it was disrespectful, they were just annoyed they didn't get him out.
Lara was an active player back then, so makes sense that his fans would do that to someone breaking a record. But now he's been retired for 2 decades. So does anybody really care who breaks it. You want to see new world records, and then see Mulder's record getting overtaken too. You don't stay stuck in the past.

Should Joe Root retire 100 runs short of Tendulkar's all time run tally of 15,900 runs? Heck no. That would be absolutely ridiculous. You set new records and then the next generations set newer ones.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
That's just the thing, they just won the wtc, why should they feel less worthy than anyone else to hold records.
I agree with that first part. And even if it were Bradman's record, who cares? It wouldn't have been taking the P to bat half an hour more.

I am old enough to remember Hayden getting slammed for taking the record off Lara against Zimbabwe.

Mulder was in a lose-lose situation here. Take it and he's disrespectful, don't take it and he's a coward.

FWIW the Zimbos who played against Hayden in that game didn't think it was disrespectful, they were just annoyed they didn't get him out.
Yeah that's a fair point, too. But anyone who says it's disrespectful or egregious, honestly, their opinion isn't worth jack. It's clear to everyone that SA are going to, and were going to, win when they had 3.5 days to bowl Zimbabwe out. If there's a world record on offer, why wouldn't you take it? Zimbabwe are a Test playing nation. Mulder turned down the opportunity to say to his grandkids that he holds the world record Test score. Say that out loud a few times and tell me that's not a ridiculous thing to do, just because Brian Lara might be a big name and scored it against a 'major playing nation' even though as Stefan said, their bowling line-up was weak on an absolute featherbed.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Michael Clarke declared short of Mark Taylor's Australian record as a PR move, to assure everyone that he was a good bloke and had the team's best interests at heart. To be fair, he probably needed to, especially as he found it hard to suppress the fact he was a giant pr*ck.

No such fallout would have happened here. I saw the score at lunch and my first thought was wow, that's awesome he will break Lara's record...my next thought was oh hell he's the captain, I bet he declares in some sort of modesty pact.

What's next, someone declares short of Lara's 501, even though he was dropped on 0?
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Mulder turned down the opportunity to say to his grandkids that he holds the world record Test score. Say that out loud a few times and tell me that's not a ridiculous thing to do, just because Brian Lara might be a big name and scored it against a 'major playing nation' even though as Stefan said, their bowling line-up was weak on an absolute featherbed.
It was the very 1st innings of the match and Lara batted on past lunch on day 3, only to get the record. Ended in bore draw. It was as selfish an innings could get, batting 2.5 days. And here someone (Mulder) is talking about opposition and principles of not breaking a record lol. Apparently the coach had the biggest say in this decision. I bet he's done Mulder significant financial harm. He could have got nice big commercials and sponsorships. It's a no brainer.
 
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Darwin Award

State 12th Man
Michael Clarke declared short of Mark Taylor's Australian record as a PR move, to assure everyone that he was a good bloke and had the team's best interests at heart. To be fair, he probably needed to, especially as he found it hard to suppress the fact he was a giant pr*ck.

No such fallout would have happened here. I saw the score at lunch and my first thought was wow, that's awesome he will break Lara's record...my next thought was oh hell he's the captain, I bet he declares in some sort of modesty pact.

What's next, someone declares short of Lara's 501, even though he was dropped on 0?
Also 329 is further than 367...

Whilst in the grand scheme of things it doesn't sound alot there was still 72 odd runs for Clarke to score... Even at a galloping rate he'd still have to go hard in the overs to ensue & that's all taking into equation the other batsman chewing up deliveries.

However,when you're on 367* it pretty much just takes 3 extra overs of going 10 runs per over & that's that.... Barely any time or overs lost in the match where as Clarke would've needed another hour at least or so.

Furthermore,Mulder said Lara is a legend yet he didn't seem to have any problems going past 'the other legends' Hammond,Hutton & Sobers,did he?
 

Bolo.

International Captain
Michael Clarke declared short of Mark Taylor's Australian record as a PR move, to assure everyone that he was a good bloke and had the team's best interests at heart. To be fair, he probably needed to, especially as he found it hard to suppress the fact he was a giant pr*ck.

No such fallout would have happened here. I saw the score at lunch and my first thought was wow, that's awesome he will break Lara's record...my next thought was oh hell he's the captain, I bet he declares in some sort of modesty pact.

What's next, someone declares short of Lara's 501, even though he was dropped on 0?
I was getting worried about that when he was in the 200s. He was scoring so fast vefore lunch that I thought the risk had passed.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Also 329 is further than 367...

Whilst in the grand scheme of things it doesn't sound alot there was still 72 odd runs for Clarke to score... Even at a galloping rate he'd still have to go hard in the overs to ensue & that's all taking into equation the other batsman chewing up deliveries.

However,when you're on 367* it pretty much just takes 3 extra overs of going 10 runs per over & that's that.... Barely any time or overs lost in the match where as Clarke would've needed another hour at least or so.

Furthermore,Mulder said Lara is a legend yet he didn't seem to have any problems going past 'the other legends' Hammond,Hutton & Sobers,did he?
Clarke had 2.5 days to bowl India out once. He could easily batted for even 2 more hours and Aus still would've won with a day to spare. They only needed 10 wickets. But I get your point that 72 runs were still required.
 

Daemon

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Agree with Chubb here. I can understand how he may not want to hold the record as a young noob against Zimbabwe. Rightly or wrongly, there would be swathes of fans rubbishing his knock instead of celebrating it. And if he ever ran into some poor form with the bat they’d make fun of him for it. Fans are toxic and not everyone can shut it out.

As long as he’s happy with his decision I don’t think it’s a big deal tbh, it’ll get broken eventually.

Should celebrate the knock and his potential instead of knocking him on his greatest day on field.

His coach can go do one though. What a tit.
 

Darwin Award

State 12th Man
Lost in all this excitement that I noticed was never mentioned was that Mulder scored over 100 runs in back to back sessions.

Day 1: Tea to close- 133 to 264
Day 2: Start of Day to Lunch- 264 to 367
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Also 329 is further than 367...

Whilst in the grand scheme of things it doesn't sound alot there was still 72 odd runs for Clarke to score... Even at a galloping rate he'd still have to go hard in the overs to ensue & that's all taking into equation the other batsman chewing up deliveries.

However,when you're on 367* it pretty much just takes 3 extra overs of going 10 runs per over & that's that.... Barely any time or overs lost in the match where as Clarke would've needed another hour at least or so.

Furthermore,Mulder said Lara is a legend yet he didn't seem to have any problems going past 'the other legends' Hammond,Hutton & Sobers,did he?
When I say 329* for Clarke, that is in reference to Mark Taylor's highest score as an Australia Test captain and Sir Don's highest score. Clarke could have obviously easily passed both but thought the PR was a better move, and probably right, too.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Clarke had 2.5 days to bowl India out once. He could easily batted for even 2 more hours and Aus still would've won with a day to spare. They only needed 10 wickets. But I get your point that 72 runs were still required.
Yeah, plus rain etc. I have no problem with Clarke's one, although I do believe it was out of false modesty and not wanting to usurp the iconoclast that is Sir Don and the good Aussie battler in Tubby.
 

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