Ray Lindwall vs Greg Chappell

[Coronis]

Only for one series though, whilst Hammond consistently faced worse attacks vs Wi, Ind, Nz and Sa which Headley never got to.

I believe his first series he scored 4 tons against a 20 year old Voce, 50 year old Rhodes and a bunch of no names.

 

[kyear2]

Very even. Lindwall edges ahead as a cricketer.

Lindwall was a better bat than Chappell a slip?

Lindwall falls shirt of AR status for many, while Chappell was an AT performer and top 10 ever.

 

[peterhrt]

I believe that Consensus [about Headley] formed much later on, if even one exists. Up until the 50s, Hammond was rated well ahead in England

This is true. It was easier to judge consensus back then when there were fewer writers, most were English or Australian, and they tended to agree. When Bradman retired in 1949, there seemed to be a reasonable level of agreement on the best batsmen to that time. In England it was something like:
Tier 1: Grace, Hobbs, Bradman
Tier 2: Ranji, Trumper
Tier 3: Macartney, Hammond

In Australia, Trumper was in Tier 1 instead of Grace. The odd historian there, such as Johnny Moyes, placed Clem Hill on the same level as Macartney and Hammond.

The publication of CLR James' Beyond A Boundary in 1963 changed perceptions of Headley at a time when West Indies were establishing themselves as the most influential and successful Test team. He moved ahead of Ranji, Macartney and Hammond, and also the more recent Hutton. In the Caribbean Headley had always been in the top tier.

 

[Coronis]

This is true. It was easier to judge consensus back then when there were fewer writers, most were English or Australian, and they tended to agree. When Bradman retired in 1949, there seemed to be a reasonable level of agreement on the best batsmen to that time. In England it was something like:
Tier 1: Grace, Hobbs, Bradman
Tier 2: Ranji, Trumper
Tier 3: Macartney, Hammond

In Australia, Trumper was in Tier 1 instead of Grace. The odd historian there, such as Johnny Moyes, placed Clem Hill on the same level as Macartney and Hammond.

The publication of CLR James' Beyond A Boundary in 1963 changed perceptions of Headley at a time when West Indies were establishing themselves as the most influential and successful Test team. He moved ahead of Ranji, Macartney and Hammond, and also the more recent Hutton. In the Caribbean Headley had always been in the top tier.

One of the more overrated cricketers of the time by writers. Fortunately that hasn’t persisted.

 

[capt_Luffy]

One of the more overrated cricketers of the time by writers. Fortunately that hasn’t persisted.

Damn...... I thought you loved Hammond!!

 

[Johan]

so I have been decieved and betrayed

 

[Thala_0710]

so I have been decieved and betrayed

Like you will be by your batting line up this summer

 

[Johan]

Like you will be by your batting line up this summer

I placed Bumrah above Wasim, when his average goes above 25 this summer, it would be Bumrah who would've decieved and betrayed me.

 

[Thala_0710]

I placed Bumrah above Wasim, when his average goes above 25 this summer, it would be Bumrah who would've decieved and betrayed me.

More likely that Root goes below 50

 

[Johan]

More likely that Root goes below 50

Root will go above 60 in batting average by the 4th test

 

[Thala_0710]

Root will go above 60 in batting average by the 4th test

There's more chance of him not crossing 60 in any inns. Guy will feel like he's playing in Australia

 

[Johan]

There's more chance of him not crossing 60 in any inns. Guy will feel like he's playing in Australia

higher chance of him crossing 600 in one inning than chance of him not crossing 60 tbh

 

[capt_Luffy]

higher chance of him crossing 600 in one inning than chance of him not crossing 60 tbh

Higher chance of all the English scores combined across the 5 Tests to be sub 600 than Root crossing so throughout the Series combined, factually.

 

[Johan]

Higher chance of all the English scores combined across the 5 Tests to be sub 600 than Root crossing so throughout the Series combined, factually.

Shut up Silly.

 

[Johan]

One of the more overrated cricketers of the time by writers. Fortunately that hasn’t persisted.

MaCartney was great though

 

[capt_Luffy]

MaCartney was great though

Rather tough to rate. Dude was a bowling allrounder for majority of pre War, like Steve Smith but better bowlers for longer. Then War came and he emerged as one of World's leading batsmen (arguably even over Hobbs for the early 20s), but it was quite shortlived and still had plenty of breaks for his mental health affected by War. I rate him quite highly, but rating him properly is quite tough really.

 

[Johan]

Anyway, Voted Lindwall, Hutton rated him above Tiger.

 

[Johan]

this has some nice footage.

 

[Coronis]

this has some nice footage.

Does it though?

 

[Johan]

Does it though?

it does Yeah