Which team is stronger?

[DrWolverine]

Looks like its 70’s onwards, and lets be real, none of India, Pakistan or England have had a decent spinner in that time.

Except Murali & Warne; there hasn’t a world class spinner or at least of their stature post WW2

 

[sayon basak]

Except Murali & Warne; there hasn’t a world class spinner or at least of their stature post WW2

Depends on what you call world class.

If a bowler needs to be in the class of Murali/Warne, then you may not see a "world class" spinner again.

 

[DrWolverine]

I do not think anyone has picked another spinner among their Top 15 bowlers(post WW2) at least on this sub

 

[sayon basak]

I do not think anyone has picked another spinner among their Top 15 bowlers(post WW2) at least on this sub

That's not a bad definition ngl.

Not that I agree with it, as I think there are definitely more than 15 post war world class bowlers.

 

[DrWolverine]

That's not a bad definition ngl.

Not that I agree with it, as I think there are definitely more than 15 post war world class bowlers.

14 of them debuted between 1970-1995. Roberts. Holding. Garner. Marshall. Walsh. Ambrose. Imran. Akram. Waqar. Lillee. McGrath. Hadlee. Donald. Pollock.

 

[Coronis]

Unless you’re defining world class as ATG which is just stupid.

 

[DrWolverine]

Unless you’re defining world class as ATG which is just stupid.

Difference between both?

 

[Coronis]

Difference between both?

…seriously?

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[capt_Luffy]

Looks like its 70’s onwards, and lets be real, none of India, Pakistan or England have had a decent spinner in that time.

Ashwin>Waqar in that team Pretty Comfortably

 

[Coronis]

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Appears to be the first time you’ve used it

 

[sayon basak]

Ashwin>Waqar in that team Pretty Comfortably

Waqar for his batting.
And Ashwin wasn't that fast ngl.

 

[Johan]

You used to be quite critical of spinners before as a bowling category.

my criticism is mostly after the top 3, they are either too condition reliant (Ashwin, Herath), defensive on true wickets (underwood) or just not great anywhere but consistently decent, I don't think outside the top 3 spinners, any of the spinners even reach ATVG pacers let alone ATG pacers

 

[shortpitched713]

Except Murali & Warne; there hasn’t a world class spinner or at least of their stature post WW2

Ashwin was class. Not quite them, but definitely in the highest bracket.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

No finger spinner is as good as Waqar

 

[capt_Luffy]

my criticism is mostly after the top 3, they are either too condition reliant (Ashwin, Herath), defensive on true wickets (underwood) or just not great anywhere but consistently decent, I don't think outside the top 3 spinners, any of the spinners even reach ATVG pacers let alone ATG pacers

Ashwin was pretty good everywhere but SA.

 

[capt_Luffy]

No finger spinner is as good as Waqar

As cricketers don't even think there's much between them

 

[sayon basak]

No finger spinner is as good as Waqar

Peter Siddle.

 

[subshakerz]

Ashwin was pretty good everywhere but SA.

Not pretty good by ATG standards. The same pretty good by Ashwin in Aus is considered a failure by Murali and Warne in India.

 

[subshakerz]

my criticism is mostly after the top 3, they are either too condition reliant (Ashwin, Herath), defensive on true wickets (underwood) or just not great anywhere but consistently decent, I don't think outside the top 3 spinners, any of the spinners even reach ATVG pacers let alone ATG pacers

Both Warne and Murali compared to top pacers are still condition dependent, not ATG in the first half of games and much more likely to be dominated.