Abdul Qadir vs Iqbal Qasim

[MasterBlaster24]

Better test bowler?

 

[BazBall21]

Qadir's away record is shocking.

 

[Thala_0710]

Qadir for me

 

[Coronis]

Iqbal.

Finger spin deniers will vote Abdul.

@Burgey

 

[subshakerz]

Qadir...

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Qadir for me

Why? His away bowling record is very bad.

 

[Johan]

Home

Qasim: 25.15 average, 72 strike rate, 2.22 WPI
Qadir: 26.82 average, 62 strike rate, 2.47 WPI

Away

Qasim: 33.58 average, 82 strike rate, 1.66 WPI
Qadir: 47.59 average, 98 strike rate, 1.58 WPI

 

[Thala_0710]

Why? His away bowling record is very bad.

It appears worse than it actually is. He actually beats Qasim on match factor (1.27 vs 1.16) despite having the worse raw average.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It appears worse than it actually is. He actually beats Qasim on match factor (1.27 vs 1.16) despite having the worse raw average.

Qadir was kinda clueless away though.

 

[Thala_0710]

Qadir was kinda clueless away though.

Not really..
Avg of other spinners in away games for Qadir is 49.49, the same for Qasim is 40.83. Qadir just bowled on much flatter surfaces.

 

[subshakerz]

Mercy vote for Qadir but Qasim might be the most underrated spinner of all time.

 

[Thala_0710]

These numbers make sense too, as Pakistan probably thought play the offie when the surface has something to offer, play the leggie when the pitch is absolutely flat.

 

[Coronis]

Not really..
Avg of other spinners in away games for Qadir is 49.49, the same for Qasim is 40.83. Qadir just bowled on much flatter surfaces.

Ok how about a direct comparison. When they played together.

@ home
18 matches
Qadir 94 @ 22.78
Qasim 70 @ 23.10
@away
5 matches
Qadir 4 @ 96.50
Qasim 16 @ 33.18

 

[Thala_0710]

Ok how about a direct comparison. When they played together.

@ home
18 matches
Qadir 94 @ 22.78
Qasim 70 @ 23.10
@away
5 matches
Qadir 4 @ 96.50
Qasim 16 @ 33.18

That's a very small sample size though, especially away from home it's just 5 games. Can't conclude much from that.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not really..
Avg of other spinners in away games for Qadir is 49.49, the same for Qasim is 40.83. Qadir just bowled on much flatter surfaces.

So like, at best, Qadir averages the same as those spinners while Qasim averages around 15% better?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Not really..
Avg of other spinners in away games for Qadir is 49.49, the same for Qasim is 40.83. Qadir just bowled on much flatter surfaces.

No, he just sucked outside Pakistan period. I can't recall a series outside Pakistan where Abdul was remotely decent. Qasim, at least had decent tours away to NZ and Australia.

 

[Thala_0710]

So like, at best, Qadir averages the same as those spinners while Qasim averages around 15% better?

Qasim is better away from home, not denying that. But Qadir is slightly above avg too actually away from home, contrary to perception. And then he's miles better at home.

 

[Coronis]

That's a very small sample size though, especially away from home it's just 5 games. Can't conclude much from that.

How can you be this attached to Qadir? For what possible reason?

 

[Thala_0710]

How can you be this attached to Qadir? For what possible reason?

I'm not. He's a decent spinner just like Qasim, only slightly better.

 

[Thala_0710]

No, he just sucked outside Pakistan period. I can't recall a series outside Pakistan where Abdul was remotely decent. Qasim, at least had decent tours away to NZ and Australia.

Qadir gets really hard done by on the pitches though. Other spinners avged 49.49 on those games, which is ridiculous once you think about it.