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Graham Gooch Vs Virat Kohli

Better test batsman

  • Total voters
    11
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, but Crowe batted higher and has multiple ATG efforts like against Windies at home, against two Ws, Australia away and so forth. De Villiers was an excellent Batsmen but it's not like he did anything that's beyond's Crowe's achievements against pace bowling, He's better/more proven against spin so he's better but the gap isn't large as I don't see any indication Crowe would struggle with spin.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Yeah, but Crowe batted higher and has multiple ATG efforts like against Windies at home, against two Ws, Australia away and so forth. De Villiers was an excellent Batsmen but it's not like he did anything that's beyond's Crowe's achievements against pace bowling, He's better/more proven against spin so he's better but the gap isn't large as I don't see any indication Crowe would struggle with spin.
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ABD had an ATG series vs peak Johnson at home. Don't think he was one bit worse than Crowe against pace, and undoubtedly better to spin.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
ATG series vs Peak Johnson or ATG series vs Peak Marshall and Garner?
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That Johnson series is top 10 All Time imo, 15 at worst. I think how a bowler bowled on a particular day/series is more important than their overall standings, very significantly.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
That Johnson series is top 10 All Time imo, 15 at worst. I think how a bowler bowled on a particular day/series is more important than their overall standings, very significantly.
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Top 15 Batting serieses of all time? because that it ain't
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Ohhhh, Nah I'd disagree.

also, I'd argue Garner was even more lethal In English/Kiwi conditions than Johnson in Australia or South Africa.
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I think ABD being practically faultless in technique to both pace and spin, and maintaining a Great away record literally everywhere he played, makes him a top 30 in my book.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member

capt_Luffy said:
I think ABD being practically faultless in technique to both pace and spin, and maintaining a Great away record literally everywhere he played, makes him a top 30 in my book.
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I think Crowe was quite faultless, brilliant against pace, proven against bounce/movement, fantastic against reverse per Wasim's own admission, also carried a rather weak lineup and was genuinely the world's best Batsmen for a while, for all that factor I have him even with De Villiers, De Villiers slightly ahead only because he got the opportunities to prove himself against spin and mostly did it.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Thala_0710 said:
I did, drafts aren't about how you rate players, it's about how others do.
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........ I actually somewhat agree. While I still go by my own ratings (hence never took Ponting), I do avoid pre WWI players like Grace, Ranji, Spofforth, Rhodes etc like plague; as I seen to be the only one to rate them. Also try to not take Trumper, Hill, even Barnes etc too quickly.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Crowe was definitely good v spin. Limited opportunities. Similar case to Chappell purely in that regard.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
I think Crowe was quite faultless, brilliant against pace, proven against bounce/movement, fantastic against reverse per Wasim's own admission, also carried a rather weak lineup and was genuinely the world's best Batsmen for a while, for all that factor I have him even with De Villiers, De Villiers slightly ahead only because he got the opportunities to prove himself against spin and mostly did it.
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Crowe struggled in India and SL.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
I think Crowe was quite faultless, brilliant against pace, proven against bounce/movement, fantastic against reverse per Wasim's own admission, also carried a rather weak lineup and was genuinely the world's best Batsmen for a while, for all that factor I have him even with De Villiers, De Villiers slightly ahead only because he got the opportunities to prove himself against spin and mostly did it.
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Shoulda averaged more if he was faultless
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
........ I actually somewhat agree. While I still go by my own ratings (hence never took Ponting), I do avoid pre WWI players like Grace, Ranji, Spofforth, Rhodes etc like plague; as I seen to be the only one to rate them. Also try to not take Trumper, Hill, even Barnes etc too quickly.
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Yeah, I was thinking not to take Ranji in the current draft, but he was just too too good amongst the options left for me not to take him
 
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