Lords ATG XIs and Bowler Peer Ratings

[subshakerz]

Kinda funny that a number of English and Aussie players exclusively select just other English and Aussie players. Makes sense I guess, their Ashes experiences playing against each other leaves an impression.

Aussie players a bit more justified since they mostly selected from an ATG team.

 

[Window]

Aussie players a bit more justified since they mostly selected from an ATG team.

Sure but look at Warne and Finch’s lists. At least they’re honest I guess, they’re personal lists after all, not by the numbers selections. A mix of favourite players vs best players.

 

[Coronis]

Hayden seems the favorite pick for openers followed by Sehwag.

@shortpitched713

If anything after seeing this teams, I have now waaaaaayyyyyyy less confidence on peer ratings

As I’ve always said, they need to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Window]

Several players also didn’t pick specialist openers, slotting in middle order or #3 batsmen up the order. I think Waqar picked Bradman to open, which I guess is the optimal batsmen for making such a change.

 

[subshakerz]

Several players also didn’t pick specialist openers, slotting in middle order or #3 batsmen up the order. I think Waqar picked Bradman to open, which I guess is the optimal batsmen for making such a change.

Several put Dravid as opener.

 

[subshakerz]

@shortpitched713



As I’ve always said, they need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Individual opinions yes. Group consensus I argue is useful.

 

[kyear2]

Gooch and Greenidge also have surprisingly high peer ratings.

Frankly I would say there isn't a clear consensus on the best opener of the 70s/80s.

70's were clear. The 80's less so.

 

[subshakerz]

70's were clear. The 80's less so.

What I would say is that Gavaskar being the no.1 opener of the era as far as peer rating is concerned is just not true.

Which kind of makes it harder for me to put him in the ATG XI.

 

[shortpitched713]

Haydos was just different sauce, clearly.

 

[Qlder]

Several players also didn’t pick specialist openers, slotting in middle order or #3 batsmen up the order. I think Waqar picked Bradman to open, which I guess is the optimal batsmen for making such a change.

Real peer ratings should be by players who they played with or against. Waqar picking Bradman is not a peer rating imo

 

[subshakerz]

Haydos was just different sauce, clearly.

Yeah he is solidly the consensus best opener of the 90s/2000s era. It's the intimidation factor.

 

[kyear2]

Sure

Kept waiting for him to make a stupid or unjustifiable pick. Holding was the closest he came to one.

But as I've said recently, he was quality.

Re Greenidge, I was shouted down a few months ago for saying Sir Gordon wasn't rated that far below Sunny as many here think.

 

[subshakerz]

Real peer ratings should be by players who they played with or against. Waqar picking Bradman is not a peer rating imo

True. I disregard those who selected from outside their era. Though some are interesting. For example, Manjrekar picks Sanga as his keeper. Willis picks McGrath.

 

[Coronis]

Kept waiting for him to make a stupid or unjustifiable pick. Holding was the closest he came to one.

But as I've said recently, he was quality.

Re Greenidge, I was shouted down a few months ago for saying Sir Gordon wasn't rated that far below Sunny as many here think.

So you mean he’s overrated compared to Gavaskar?

 

[Coronis]

True. I disregard those who selected from outside their era. Though some are interesting. For example, Manjrekar picks Sanga as his keeper. Willis picks McGrath.

I guess our picks for everyone outside most of the recent eras shouldn’t count in an ATG discussion.

 

[subshakerz]

Kept waiting for him to make a stupid or unjustifiable pick. Holding was the closest he came to one.

But as I've said recently, he was quality.

Re Greenidge, I was shouted down a few months ago for saying Sir Gordon wasn't rated that far below Sunny as many here think.

Players who had higher reps than I thought based on peer ratings:

McGrath
Hayden
Greenidge
Gooch
Cook
Sanga

Players who had lower:
Gavaskar
Donald
Ambrose
G Smith

 

[subshakerz]

I guess our picks for everyone outside most of the recent eras shouldn’t count in an ATG discussion.

I assume we are more informed than your average player about past eras. The only thing they can provide that is useful is firsthand perspective of playing their opposition.

 

[Window]

Real peer ratings should be by players who they played with or against. Waqar picking Bradman is not a peer rating imo

Yeah the lists are a smorgasbord of selections based on random criteria, with some only sticking to peers and others going the all-time players route.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Re Greenidge, I was shouted down a few months ago for saying Sir Gordon wasn't rated that far below Sunny as many here think.

You were shouted down for thinking that opinion is true.

 

[Coronis]

I assume we are more informed than your average player about past eras. The only thing they can provide that is useful is firsthand perspective of playing their opposition.

Nah I think the average CWer is just as ignorant as the average cricketer tbh.