SENA XI (ex Bradman) vs Asian XI vs Windies XI

[kyear2]

Just pointing out that you wouldn't need all of SENA to better the Windies and Asia teams

The two test teams with the longest histories, England and Australia along with New Zealand and South Africa... you think?

And if you're adding Hadlee to Australia might as well add Murali to the WI.

Really don't grasp the point of your argument.

Australia vs WI, now that would be a good contest.

 

[kyear2]

Australia (minus Bradman) plus Hadlee are plenty good enough to beat a Windies XI team.

Simpson
Hayden / Morris
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
Cummins
McGrath

Vs

Greenidge
Hunte / Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Lloyd / Worrell
Dujon
Marshall
Holding / Gibbs
Garner
Ambrose

You think that Australian team beats that WI team easily if at all?

 

[reyrey]

The two test teams with the longest histories, England and Australia along with New Zealand and South Africa... you think?

And if you're adding Hadlee to Australia might as well add Murali to the WI.

Really don't grasp the point of your argument.

Australia vs WI, now that would be a good contest.

I didn't quote your post originally so it shouldn't be too difficult to work out that I was reply to the original post.

I was replying to this. "says something about the Windies that they alone can field a competitive ATG team at every level who wins and where?"

 

[Coronis]

I know you don't rate Viv, but most don't rate him lower than 5th all time and many the greatest they ever saw. Lara's the greatest I've ever seen and Sobers is arguably the 2nd best batsman ever.

Marshall, Hadlee, Steyn and Ambrose are 4 of the top 5 CW bowlers ever and can come at you like the quartet of old with Sobers providing spin if required.

That's not an inferior squad.

Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Sangakkara, Imran, Wasim, Bumrah, Murali. Those three operating opposite Murali with an old ball?

Hadlee, Steyn and Kallis are on the SENA squad which is what this thread is still talking about, except for you.

And yes, the West Indies batting is still inferior to either an Ashes or SENA XI even without Bradman, namely due to Greenidge + other opener

 

[Coronis]

Simpson
Hayden / Morris
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
Cummins
McGrath

Vs

Greenidge
Hunte / Headley
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Lloyd / Worrell
Dujon
Marshall
Holding / Gibbs
Garner
Ambrose

You think that Australian team beats that WI team easily if at all?

He said plus Hadlee but ignore that. Also you really seem to underestimate the impact a Warne has, but thats not unsurprising.

 

[Slifer]

Australia (minus Bradman) plus Hadlee are plenty good enough to beat a Windies XI team.

Australia minus the Don + Hadlee:

Hayden
Simpson
Ponting
Smith
Border
Waugh*
Gilchrist +
Hadlee
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

Vs

Greenidge
Hunte
Headley
Viv*
Lara
Sobers
Walcott+
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose/Gibbs

Australia are not plenty good enough. Afaic, it's a toss up and results would depend on where the tests are played.

In Australia, Australia edge it. Every single last WI bowler, was very good to great down under. Batting not as much which is why Australia would edge it.

In the WI, (even adding Bradman), edge WI . Why? Because as mentioned earlier, WI players are on steroids record wise at home; especially the batting.

Neutral. Depends on location. SEN: Even. Asia: even. Warne might be a factor in Asia but that's about it. Against contemporary WI, he was never a factor home or away. Solid yes, but not a factor like he was vs Eng, Rsa, Pak, Nz, that would be Glenn.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

WIndies XI:

Greenidge
Headley
Viv
Lara
Weekes
Sobers
Walcott+
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose
Gibbs

Asia XI:

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Sanga+
Shakib
Imran
Wasim
Murali
Waqar

Ashes XI:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Grace
Bradman
Stokes*
Botham
Woakes
Knott+
Verity
Trueman

ROW XI:

Smith
Richards
Williamson
Kallis
Pollock
de Villiers
Watling+
Hadlee
Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn

Probably got to give the edge to the Ashes XI.

 

[howitzer]

WIndies XI:

Greenidge
Headley
Viv
Lara
Weekes
Sobers
Walcott+
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose
Gibbs

Asia XI:

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Sanga+
Shakib
Imran
Wasim
Murali
Waqar

Ashes XI:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Grace
Bradman
Stokes*
Botham
Woakes
Knott+
Verity
Trueman

ROW XI:

Smith
Richards
Williamson
Kallis
Pollock
de Villiers
Watling+
Hadlee
Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn

Probably got to give the edge to the Ashes XI.

Yeah. Win on pace bowling imo.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee, Steyn and Kallis are on the SENA squad which is what this thread is still talking about, except for you.

And yes, the West Indies batting is still inferior to either an Ashes or SENA XI even without Bradman, namely due to Greenidge + other opener

 

[kyear2]

He said plus Hadlee but ignore that. Also you really seem to underestimate the impact a Warne has, but thats not unsurprising.

I'm saying multiple things.

1. I'm taking peak Lara and Sobers to handle peak Warne.

2. McGrath and Lillee are bigger concerns than Warne in my humble opinion.

 

[kyear2]

WIndies XI:

Greenidge
Headley
Viv
Lara
Weekes
Sobers
Walcott+
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose
Gibbs

Asia XI:

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Sanga+
Shakib
Imran
Wasim
Murali
Waqar

Ashes XI:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Grace
Bradman
Stokes*
Botham
Woakes
Knott+
Verity
Trueman

ROW XI:

Smith
Richards
Williamson
Kallis
Pollock
de Villiers
Watling+
Hadlee
Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn

Probably got to give the edge to the Ashes XI.

Again two points.

1. Why are we pitting compilation squads up against the smallest cricketing nation which hasn't had a world class player in almost 20 years?



2. That Ashes squad might actually lose though, that bowling, really?

 

[Slifer]

Again two points.

1. Why are we pitting compilation squads up against the smallest cricketing nation which hasn't had a world class player in almost 20 years?



2. That Ashes squad might actually lose though, that bowling, really?

Yeah that's not fair at all.

 

[Coronis]

Probs cos someone claimed Windies are good enough to beat the compilation XIs

 

[trundler]

How did we swing from "Warne is the greatest bowler ever" to "he'd be useless against ATG teams"?

 

[Slifer]

Probs cos someone claimed Windies are good enough to beat the compilation XIs

They aren't. They'd compete but they aren't.

 

[Slifer]

How did we swing from "Warne is the greatest bowler ever" to "he'd be useless against ATG teams"?

"We"....lol. "We" never ever said that. Only journalists from Australia and Eng really thought that. He's not useless vs atg teams but in certain conditions say away/and vs India or in WI he wouldn't be as effective. In and/vs Eng, RSA ,SL, Pak etc he'd cause some damage.

 

[kyear2]

Probs cos someone claimed Windies are good enough to beat the compilation XIs

Who?

Certainly not me nor @Slifer

 

[kyear2]

Probs cos someone claimed Windies are good enough to beat the compilation XIs

Only Australia (well possibly WI) could compete, and while they could "steal" one, they're also losing to a ROW XI

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

WIndies XI:

Greenidge
Headley
Viv
Lara
Weekes
Sobers
Walcott+
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose
Gibbs

Asia XI:

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Sanga+
Shakib
Imran
Wasim
Murali
Waqar

Ashes XI:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Grace
Bradman
Stokes*
Botham
Woakes
Knott+
Verity
Trueman

ROW XI:

Smith
Richards
Williamson
Kallis
Pollock
de Villiers
Watling+
Hadlee
Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn

Probably got to give the edge to the Ashes XI.

Verity over O’Reilly?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Verity over O’Reilly?

For the purposes of my meme Ashes XI, yes.