thats fair enough TBH...i guess what is difficult to accpet is the fact that ireland are not considered a separate nation....and it doesnt help when most of their players would aspire to play for england. Also, they dont have a domestic structure...especially as they, themselves are a domestic team. So, fair enough!
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***Official** South Africa v India in Ireland
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LA ICE-E
State Captain
Yeah because they CHOOSE to, if they wanted to play separately they COULD. Political nations playing themselves isn't necessary but it's common for the most part unless those nations choose to play together, like East Africa etc. did but then they broke away because Kenya wanted to be a separate team and so on. Does Kenya have to play as East Africa still because they did before? No. Same concept except that Irish may have represented England longer, which they had to other choice anyway until they separated.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
No because Kent and Yorkshire didn't choose to become a separate team.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
Both Scotland and Ireland are ODI teams nothing is different in them except that Ireland is in the main ODI rankings now while Scotland like the other 4 ODI associates are in the associate rankings. There is no need for a clarification of county and country because the reason they are playing in the county is to get better, like Bangladesh did in it's early days playing A teams, they are just doing so to get better. Netherlands was in it last year.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
WHY ISN'T WALES DEFINED AS SEPARATE CRICKET COUNTRY BY THE ICC THEN?! cause if it was like that they could have, it isn't like that. Scotland and Ireland choose to be separate teams while Wales, and the Windies didn't nothing to do with the ICC.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
No, big teams playing them wouldn't be a waste of time for their development. Not the developement of their players but it would be a big thing for the development of cricket in the nation. Are you seriously telling be could be thinking about getting to semi-pro level without getting ODI status and not playing teams like India and South Africa? No.
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/294069.html
As for playing as a county team, they are doing that to get better; the current players I mean, Holland did the same last year and Bangladesh did but playing with A teams.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
Both qualified through and made the top 5 of the qualification process and should be recognized as ODI status teams. Playing standards is up to point of view but is not the same as ODI status.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
Yorkshire isn't a separate team is it? Their best players will keep going to England until it becomes at least semi-pro(oh wait there's talks about that already) or if they want to play test cricket which will change if they get test status which isn't so heavily focussed at for playing standard rather more to a countries system and facilities.
Why the **** don't you get that, if it was due to the ICC that Ireland and Scotland separated from England than Wales, and the Windies would be separated too, but are they no. This is just a false statement which you keep making but never back it up.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
All top 6 associates have ODI status because they qualified through the requirement. Without ODI status this teams wouldn't get games against full members and now at least they have each other to play against which Kenya before couldn't do because it was the only country with ODI status(although they did use to play against Bangladesh more often when it was also a ODI status team before it become a test status one).
All 6 associates have to go through a check up every 4 years kind of. If they qualify for the next world cup they will retain their ODI status but if not which would mean they went backwards they will lose it and some other country will get a chance. Not a bad thing.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
ODI status and Test status is more than just playing tests and ODI's. Money has to do a lot with it. I went over this before. In short to get better you need money, to get money you need be playing against top teams to do that, you need ODI/Test status which you get you sponsors, funds for improvements and system which will get you up to the ODI standard or Test standard. The ICC isn't rich enough to provide enough money for them to improve so they realistically to get to the level you need to get the status 1st. If you want to get a better explanation of this you can go look up my post which I basically explained the same thing and I think it was to you too but may not be.
If Jamaica or Trinidad&Tobago wants to separate than they would but right now they don't want to.
LA ICE-E
State Captain
Ireland is a separate nation. In political terms and since they choose to in cricketing terms. Not so hard to get. Their players don't aspire to play for England but since they can't play test cricket or doesn't really much get money playing for Ireland they have to play for England; which is likely to change in terms of money a bit and will change a whole lot if they get test status which again can be achievement even if they don't have test quality players due to them playing for England. Much more things to test status than playing standards. A lot of the associates don't have a structure which goes back to not having the funds for it which like I said above, needs them have ODI status for them to move forward. And they do have a system going for the Under 16s etc which they won in all the levels in the european championships.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I managed 15 once, TBH.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Were East Africa a serious nation? No. Are England? Yes.
Therefore, any other parrallels are utterly irrelevant.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
They could, though - which is all that matters.
R_D
International Debutant
hmm even if they chose to i doubt ICC would grant them the status of Int cricket team for starters they aren't a seperate country.
Ps-i thought my computer was playing up when i saw 9 or 10 posts for same guy. lol
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Because fortunately The ECB got there first, and made such a thing impossible. It's a shame they didn't manage the same with Scotland and Ireland... in fact, it's a shame people didn't do that back in 1903 which was the time things should really have been properly classified.
No, I$C$C wanted more teams to make the game appear more Global. Otherwise neither Scotland or Ireland would have been taken seriously as international entities, because both have historically been weaker than the weakest First-Class county.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It would. Mostly games like that are one-sided wastes of time which everyone soon gets tired of.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Playing standards is all that matters where ODI status is concerned!!!!!!!! If a team isn't good enough, it shouldn't be demeaning the integrity of the international game.