When will Aus come up with a quality allrounder??

onemangang · 24-07-2002, 11:07 PM

Can't recall when was the last time when they had a genuine allrounder.They have brillinat batters, bowlers, Keepers, but struggles to find a decent allrounder.

sir middle stump · 24-07-2002, 11:11 PM

australia never had a genuine all rounder....unless you count in richie benaud .....maybe shane warne should concentrate a bit more on his batting.....maybe steve wa should get his back fixed and start bowling again....he could break into the 1 day side too that a way

by the way....brett lee isnt too bad with the bat too.......his batting should be looked at seriously...he aint exactly a number 11

[Edited on 7/24/02 by sir middle stump]

Top_Cat · 24-07-2002, 11:11 PM

This has been a big deal in Aussie circles for a few years now.

The new kid on the block is undoubtably Shane Watson. I reckon he'll be BIG but we'll see.

We've had a few pretenders; Shane Lee, Ian Harvey, Brendon Julian etc. but the last genuine allrounder we had who was consistently successful was probably Steve Waugh when he bowled regularly.

onemangang · 24-07-2002, 11:14 PM

I think they had one before Waugh, can't get his name.

Watson looks a good prospect, Harvey was lousy, i mean all this talk of him being the best bowler in onedayer game was stupid really.

Top_Cat · 24-07-2002, 11:16 PM

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australia never had a genuine all rounder....unless you count in richie benaud

Off the top of my head: Keith Miller, Jack Gregory, Gary Gilmour, Alan Davidson.........

In short, I beg to differ.

sir middle stump · 24-07-2002, 11:17 PM

point taken top_kat

Top_Cat · 24-07-2002, 11:21 PM

No worries, d00d.

But it's a good point that Australia generally hasn't concentrated too much on allrounders over the years. Generally the typical Aussie team has a leggie, three quicks (including an opening 'partnership'), six batsmen and a keeper to bat at 7. Rarely do the Ausies deviate from this and that's been the case for decades.

Eclipse · 24-07-2002, 11:36 PM

Brett lee could become an allrounder a bit like W Akram.

His test avrage is about 26 with two 50s
and his ODI avrage is 16 with one 50 and a strike rate of 90!!

I have seen him bat quite alot and his techneque is actualy pritty good (way better than warnes) hes also probably one of the hardest hitters in the Australian side I mean not many batsman can hit Allan Donald for 26 runs in one over including 3 sixes.

Very Faa-Kin Farkney · 25-07-2002, 01:42 AM

It's hardly a problem for the australian team though at the moment...... Lets be honest

MrPerko · 25-07-2002, 06:22 AM

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It's hardly a problem for the australian team though at the moment...... Lets be honest

I agree...

Who needs allrounders when you've got Gilchrist, Warne and Lee at 7,8 and 9???

And btw, if you just looked at figures for the last 2 ODI series, you'd swear Lehmann was a genuine all-rounder too...

Neil Pickup · 25-07-2002, 11:06 AM

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Who needs allrounders when you've got Gilchrist, Warne and Lee at 7,8 and 9???

As I was going to say...

onemangang · 25-07-2002, 09:58 PM

Neil,
Gilli opens the innings in onedayers(we are talking about onedayers) Lee can bat and so can Warne bat they aren't genuine allrounder.
Who needs it? Aus captain and selectors feels they need it desperately.

Top_Cat · 25-07-2002, 10:16 PM

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Who needs it? Aus captain and selectors feels they need it desperately.

At one-day level that's possibly accurate (if only for one more bowling option) but the selectors have gone about it stupidly by making guys who should be specialist batsmen making appearances at the bowling crease. Andy Symonds should NEVER have been picked as an allrounder. Same with Tom Moody (anyone remember him? Didn't think so!)and Greg Blewett. They should either have been picked as specialist batsmen or not at all, particularly Symonds. I mean the guy has been making noises about his talent for years and he hit 250-odd with 16 6's in England as well as a few interstate centuries yet when it came down to being picked, what do the selectors say? "Improve your bowling". That was nuts because he's one of the most naturally talented batsmen of his generation and it's almost insulting that his batting wasn't considered enough.

Either way, the Aussies don't seem to be looking for a Test allrounder at this stage. Mind you, when they have come along, they've been looked upon as more a bonus than a necessity.

Paul · 26-07-2002, 05:45 AM

Warney used to be pretty good with the bat if I recall correctly.

MrPerko · 27-07-2002, 03:51 AM

So what do you guys believe the role is of the wicketkeeper in the test and one-day teams nowdays??

Has the wicketkeeper's role changed? Do we just assume that he should be a wicketkeeper/batsman.... and if so, isn't this an all-rounder???

btw, I agree with Top_Cat about Symonds... but then again, he'd never have been selected to play any one-dayers if he'd come in as a specialist batsman... Aussie batting in recent years has been too stong.

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24-07-2002, 11:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
sir middle stump School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 138	australia never had a genuine all rounder....unless you count in richie benaud .....maybe shane warne should concentrate a bit more on his batting.....maybe steve wa should get his back fixed and start bowling again....he could break into the 1 day side too that a way by the way....brett lee isnt too bad with the bat too.......his batting should be looked at seriously...he aint exactly a number 11 [Edited on 7/24/02 by sir middle stump]

24-07-2002, 11:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
onemangang Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 108	I think they had one before Waugh, can't get his name. Watson looks a good prospect, Harvey was lousy, i mean all this talk of him being the best bowler in onedayer game was stupid really.

24-07-2002, 11:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
sir middle stump School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 138	point taken top_kat

24-07-2002, 11:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,165	No worries, d00d. But it's a good point that Australia generally hasn't concentrated too much on allrounders over the years. Generally the typical Aussie team has a leggie, three quicks (including an opening 'partnership'), six batsmen and a keeper to bat at 7. Rarely do the Ausies deviate from this and that's been the case for decades.

24-07-2002, 11:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	Brett lee could become an allrounder a bit like W Akram. His test avrage is about 26 with two 50s and his ODI avrage is 16 with one 50 and a strike rate of 90!! I have seen him bat quite alot and his techneque is actualy pritty good (way better than warnes) hes also probably one of the hardest hitters in the Australian side I mean not many batsman can hit Allan Donald for 26 runs in one over including 3 sixes.

25-07-2002, 01:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
Very Faa-Kin Farkney Cricket Spectator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12	It's hardly a problem for the australian team though at the moment...... Lets be honest

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onemangang Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 108	Neil, Gilli opens the innings in onedayers(we are talking about onedayers) Lee can bat and so can Warne bat they aren't genuine allrounder. Who needs it? Aus captain and selectors feels they need it desperately.

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MrPerko School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bris Vegas, Australia Posts: 197	So what do you guys believe the role is of the wicketkeeper in the test and one-day teams nowdays?? Has the wicketkeeper's role changed? Do we just assume that he should be a wicketkeeper/batsman.... and if so, isn't this an all-rounder??? btw, I agree with Top_Cat about Symonds... but then again, he'd never have been selected to play any one-dayers if he'd come in as a specialist batsman... Aussie batting in recent years has been too stong.

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