What does AB De Villiers need achieve to surpass Viv Richards as the ODI's greatest

[OverratedSanity]

Never said he wasn't great? Just not as great as Ponting.

And its really not that skewed by his first few years. He literally only had 2 years before 2010 where he averaged over 40.

 

[srbhkshk]

Before you tell me about easy to bat era, I'll show you a stat(I've developed with my friend) that cuts across eras. What's shocking in this stat is that ABD is number 2 despite coming in at 4/5. It's called contribution percentage to the match. It takes all runs a player X scored in his matches divided by total runs in all those matches including opposition runs and multiply by 100 to give you an idea of how much player x scored compared to his peers in his career.

Amla is number 1 at 9.7%
ABD is number 2 at 9.3%
Viv Richards is number 3 at 9.1%
Dean Jones is number 5 at 9.0%
Tendulkar is number 4 at 8.97%

Followed by Virat 8.85 etc, Ponting is not even in the top 10

The list continues with kallis, Clarke, MSD, Bevan then Hussey! Your Ponting is nowhere to be found! He never made major contribution

You do realize that if I included all your big names (According to that stat) in the same team they will no longer be the big names in that stat?
Also you do realize that Ponting played for what was by far among the best two ODI teams ever and had possibly the strongest batting line up ever?

 

[Burner]

Sangakkara was a good ODI player but he really doesn't belong in the GOAT discussion. Apart from his final year, he's never really dominated games.

 

[Pratters]

Never said he wasn't great? Just not as great as Ponting.

And its really not that skewed by his first few years. He literally only had 2 years before 2010 where he averaged over 40.

Ponting has zero years after 2015 where he averages 40 though.

 

[Pratters]

Sanga was just part of a weaker team. He made lots of runs after the first three years. Even made runs in world cup and key odi games for Lanka. Was definitely better than Dhoni as was better out of Asia.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ponting has zero years after 2015 where he averages 40 though.

So does Sangakkara

 

[srbhkshk]

And? 36 was fine then. Sachin was much worse in his first 10 years.

10 Years? 3-4 is more like it, and he was like 3 years old when he debuted.

 

[Pratters]

So does Sangakkara

Exactly that twisting of stats saying before 2010 he has just two years averaging 40 is ****ed up.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't understand.

 

[Pratters]

You guys are just twisting his stats to say he is not as good. Saying he averaged 36 in first ten years or that he had only two years averaging 40 before 2010.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Oh I think you meant 2010, not 2015 in this post. Ffs pratters.

Ponting has zero years after 2015 where he averages 40 though.

 

[srbhkshk]

You guys are just twisting his stats to say he is not as good. Saying he averaged 36 in first ten years or that he had only two years averaging 40 before 2010.

In spite of playing out a portion of his career in better batting environment compared to Ponting, Sanga still has inferior stats, (he also has less innings of note imo , but that's irrelevant). Therefore Sanga, even though he is a great ODI player is not as good as Ponting. No one's saying he is not good.

 

[Pratters]

I meant 2015 only. It was a comment to show the before 2010 argument was twisted but trust you to not get it.

 

[Pratters]

In spite of playing out a portion of his career in better batting environment compared to Ponting, Sanga still has inferior stats, (he also has less innings of note imo , but that's irrelevant). Therefore Sanga, even though he is a great ODI player is not as good as Ponting. No one's saying he is not good.

I am not arguing Ponting is less than Sanga. Ponting wins. However Australia did have good batting conditions actually during Ponting's time.

 

[srbhkshk]

Oh I think you meant 2010, not 2015 in this post. Ffs pratters.

He meant to say that you are cherry picking.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I meant 2015 only. It was a comment to show the before 2010 argument was twisted but trust you to not get it.

But... Ponting and Sanga had retired by then?

 

[OverratedSanity]

He meant to say that you are cherry picking.

I mean, 10 years isn't a cherry picked sample. It's 2/3rds of his career.

 

[srbhkshk]

I am not arguing Ponting is less than Sanga. Ponting wins. However Australia did have good batting conditions actually during Ponting's time.

I don't think anyone is actually claiming Sanga is not good, just that he isn't quite as good as the other names being mentioned here.

 

[Pratters]

How is Sanga not better than Dhoni????

 

[srbhkshk]

I mean, 10 years isn't a cherry picked sample. It's 2/3rds of his career.

Oh personally I agree, but I also think that for Sanga a special concession should be made on that because a lot of his greatness hinges on his last years.